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Isn't the internet a wonderful place! After five minutes watching some fairly shoddy tutorial clips on youtube I found a Fiddlerman video. Aha I though, now we are getting somewhere! After watching all the beginners videos, I had some questions so I have wandered into the forums in search of knowledge.
But first I heard a rumour that Fiddlerman does this all for love, so big s to you sir! This site gives me real hope that I can actually learn without the lessons which my darling daughter pinched all the time and money for (bless her).
So, I am probably getting a little ahead of my self here (a couple of months ahead ) but can anyone help with my understanding of the fingering charts? Are they all scales? I am guessing G to E major across the top and what across the bottom?
Secondly I have absolutely no prior musical ability/training, is there anything I can be doing in what little (baby)free time I have over the next couple of months to help give me a head start? I'm thinking maybe make a start learning to read music?
Finally I am most interesting in learning to fiddle, as in folk music rather than classical, should this affect my approach in any way?
Many thanks.
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Thanks for the swift reply Fiddlerman, I have been playing with your fingering game for an hour or so and I am finding it extremely helpful. I do find it hard to remember all the various strings/notes at the moment but I know it is early days and by memorizing the position on sheet music of the middle note on each string (B/F/C/G) and working up or down by a maximum of two each time I have made it through the beginners level a couple of times. I'll keep at it until I can just tell the notes and string without the calculations I guess.
You said in one of your videos to avoid playing an open string note unless your wish to emphasise it, so I am assuming that where the strings overlap at D,A and E you would usually play the high end of the lower string rather than move straight to open next string?
With regards to the counting game I struggle when I come to notes which last less than one beat, trying to keep the steady 4/4 count and regulate the faster notes(presses) do you have any suggestions there?
Also does anyone have any recommendations of sensible learner violins to look at? After a very brief bit of investigation I am looking at about £180 for violin,bow,upgraded strings and case. I know that certainly isn't the cheapest option available but after making the investment of both time and money I have no intention of quitting, so want to get something that will see me right for quite a few years/levels of learning.
Thanks again.
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Thanks HeadCheese I will check that section out. Unfortunately Cecilio don't seem to have a UK dealer and I'm not sure about getting something like a violin shipped all the way from the states. I will most likely want to go to a shop and have it set up and such as I am a complete novice!
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Hi Barry,
Thanks for the welcome, if I can play anything better than "cat being swung around in bag" after my first day I will be very pleased!
I have to agree that not actually having a violin yet is certainly allowing me to focus on the theory.
Perhaps I may even be able to read sheet music before I get it, that would probably help
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Oh I've not got anywhere near fingers yet, I'm just trying to learn what place on the music means what note! Although I'm sure clicking in the right place for the note will be helping me sub-consciously. It really is a great learning tool. I can now make it through the intermediate level without a mistake. I read somewhere here about using FACE to remember notes in between lines, that has really helped.
There is a reason I didn't want to learn the drums... and that is because I don't like them as much as the violin. But if I did like them more, not being able to tap two things at different speeds would be the reason I wasn't learning them! Oh well I will keep at it.
I have a friend who claims to be very good at the violin, I shall drag him about for a day
Cheers!
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Welcome Samuel! You're right about checking out local violin shops as long as you have access to them instead of getting one shipped over seas. Glad that reading the post I made about FACE and Every Good Boy Does Fine (Food helped you on the other thread. Barry made it much more clear above and remember that it's all just the first 7 letters in the alphabet and some notes are sharp or flat depending on the key of the song.

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Thanks for all the replies and warm welcome peeps.
Another question..!
From playing the intermediate level fingering game it appears to me that whether notes are flats or sharps is indicated by symbols at the start of the music. If this is correct do the symbols indicate a different scale and the various notes vary between flats sharps and major depending on the scale?
If so could someone point me to something explaining what means what scale?
Or did I just make all that up?
Sorry for dumb questions.
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Yes Sam, you are correct. The sharps or flats next to the clef sign, called the key signature, will tell you what key you are playing in. It is a good idea to start to become familiar with scales. If the song you want to play is in the key of D major, it is wise to warm up with a D major scale.
I know Fiddlerman is working on putting scales in the sheet music section of this site, but I'm not sure how many are there now. I have a great scale book from Schirmer's Library called Hrimaly Scale-Studies for the violin. I don't think it is an expensive book, but it has a lot more information than you will need for some time.

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Thanks SaraO, that's good news. I have found the book on Amazon Uk, it is indeed cheap! Good the tip.
One more thing for today, I printed out twinkle twinkle so I could go through and write in the notes as an exercise. Could someone please tell me what the numbers under the notes mean?
Many thanks.
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I'm sorry but now that I have arrived this forum really needs a smiley!
Thanks Daniel that makes perfect sense I really should have figured it out my self. It's to save you needing to look at the finger chart for every note, I like it
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