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My suggestion would be that before you try to play your part with the backing track, just clap along to it to get familiar with where the beat is.
Then once you are confident with that, try singing/humming the violin part with the backing track.
Only once you can do that, try playing the violin part with the track.

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@Katie L -
Jim has great suggestions for you!ย
I would also ask Dan to help you clap or tap with it, so you can watch him while listening.ย Do it more than just a couple times - as long as it takes, then listen even longer. ๐
Loop it, so you hear it over & over - maybe even while you are doing other things around the house.ย
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Is it a backing track you have to use for a concert or something?ย I was wondering if it isnt the backing track itself being a little off.ย If so you could find another to play with.ย ย I guess my question is do you have a problem with any backing youve tried or just that one?
For sure, Jim has the answer on playing with them for otherwise.ย repetition as emily said is another thing i like in my own practice.

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@Katie L -
Fiddlers and other musicians tap their foot for a reason & read there is some scientific research on the subject, too (very interesting).ย
There's a cool video here that might be of help - even though this is in reference to guitar players, it still applies to us.ย
Tapping Your Foot While Playing - Why and How
Tapping your foot is essential to create a relationship between you and the music, and it'll help you develop your internal sense of time.ย
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Thanks Emily thatโs helpful.
Iโm trying to find the beat in the below which is pretty much what my teacher has done for me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=.....KNHlbzVcYI
thanksย

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You could try listening to the bass notes, as there is a very distinct pattern in most of that piece (starting in the 2nd bar), where there is a strong low note followed by a higher note (a perfect forth higher in most cases) with a strong accent on it - the second note is the first beat of each bar. The notes are both 1/8 notes by the way, and the speed is at about 112 bpm.
Sometimes the bass pattern goes down for those 2 notes, but that doesn't happen till bar 8, so you should be following the beat easily by then.

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Donโt know if the visual of the sheet music while the piano plays is helpful, but here's one:
Itโs in 4/4 time, but there are a couple of places where it switches to 2/4 for a measure, then it returns to 4/4.ย During the 2/4 measures, there is a ritardando, and then it returns to normal tempo on the 4/4 (so what aBitRusty noted is true).ย ย ย
Piano base notes mostly 8ths, so counting is โ1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &. . . .
Pretty pieceโ
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Thanks Sharon
This is my music. So I get that itโs in 4/4 but Iโm really stuck on how I count the notes. So even though itโs in quavers I want to count crotchets because itโs 4/4. But then I have to play my part and listen to the piano. Basically Iโm completely confused and donโt know how to count the 4/4, the notes for my violin part and the notes for the piano! Iโm basically completely confused !

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@Katie Lย
It can be confusing.ย Like you donโt have enough to do on the violin, youโve got a piano doing a whole different thingโand somehow, youโre supposed to fit your part in.ย I get it.ย
When I was first trying to play duets with my teacher, I found myself confused by what I was trying to play, & hearing her play something different threw me off.ย Like all things violin, youโll get better at it with time.ย But at the root of it is the rhythm thingโitโs your anchor.
In your version, it looks like the piano just maintains a steady quaver pattern for most of it, which can make it easier to focus on counting just your part.ย
The problem with trying to play with a pre-recorded track is that you may not know your part well enough yet to play at the recorded tempo.ย A lot of practice time is spent 1) slowing things down, 2) breaking music into chunks-- a few measures (or a few notes) at a time.ย It can be really difficult to play at tempo if you haven't got the tune under your fingers yet.
Before playing it, Iโd recommend counting your part out loud while tapping the beat out with your hand.ย Since the beat is in crochets, you should always count the numbers, and any quavers upbeats you play.ย So, for the first 11 measures of your version (bold is the notes you play, unbold you have rest, underline is sustaining note), it would sound like this:ย
1ย 2ย 3ย 4 | 1ย 2ย 3ย 4ย &| 1 & 2 & 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 & |
1 & 2 & 3 4 & |1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 & |1 & 2 & 3 4 &|1 & 2 & 3 4 |
1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 & |etc.,
While youโre counting it out loud, you should tap you hand on a table (or something) the 4/4 beatย 1 2 3 4|1 2 3 4|ย So, youโre hand is always tapping on just the numberโthe beat.ย
After you've done that, you should try to play the first few measure, saying your counting out loud just like you did above.ย If you get confused, slow the tempo down.ย
After (after) that, then I'd try to play with the track.
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Backing tracks are pretty horrible.
If you play a duet with a teacher, they will pause if you pause. Backing tracks don't know you exist.
There are two possible problems: - a) the backing track has a beat but you can't hear it, or b) the backing track lacks a beat. Backing tracks with rests are awful, as you have to count the beat in silence and hope your timing hasn't drifted. To avoid that, a click track in addition to the backing track is useful, but the whole thing then becomes a bit mechanical with no chance of rubato. So the music genre matters.
I'd suggest starting with something with a strong beat but slowish. Too fast and you will panic when you get lost. If you are relaxed you'll be able to pick it up again.
If it's very slow (e.g. Bach largos), then counting quavers is often the best approach.
Walking on the Air - the problem is perhaps partly that the piano's arpeggios don't have a strong beat and partly that it might not be slow enough. I wouldn't recommend counting quavers. Also of course you have to have the backing track at the right volume so you don't drown it out.
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