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The 'Composer' guaranteed Vibrato teaching method
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And we are back to the recurring "Oh Woe, there is no point in trying to learn a musical instrument unless you started at an early enough age that you probably couldn't actually read or post in forums, and unless you were putting in 8 hr days on the instrument from about the time you learned to walk (if not sooner)."

Well, to be reasonable, I don't think anyone would deny that a lot of work starting from an early age might be a decided advantage.  And of course it is pointless to pursue anything meaningful or enjoyable in life if you are old enough to have started grade school. 

LOL  Bah. 

If that were actually true, then there would be no point in adults participating in sports, taking yoga or martial arts classes, learning touch typing or taking classes in anything but sitting in front of the computer complaining.  (And as a side note, they can still complain faster with some touch typing classes or even self-study.)

Now, the odds of becoming a "star" musician, or athlete or anything really probably do decrease with age.  But let's face it, those odds were never better than the chances of a very large lottery win anyway.  Anyone actually banking on those odds is playing a fools' game, no matter what age they are.  People making their toddler practice for hours when the child might prefer to be playing still get no guarantee the kid will be a star.  There simply are no such guarantees to be had.

But is that the only motivation there is for learning music?  I think not.  In fact, I think it a rather poor motivation.  One should play because one enjoys it, for the love of it.  If one gets good enough to entertain or teach at some point, well that's ok.  But to enjoy and learn are the only motives I personally believe in, when it comes to things like music.

So I'm going to play anyway, even if I knew 100% for a fact that it will absolutely never go anywhere.  What about goals?  I have no goals at this time.  I won't even let myself consider the possibility of actual goals until my first year with this instrument is done, and I have a couple weeks to go on that yet.  I feel it takes at least a year of regular play on an instrument to even be able to tell if you enjoy it enough and are making enough progress to decide to stay with it.

Is my cartilage old?  Dang straight it is.  Half a century old with plenty of playing on it.  But I prefer to think of it as "vintage". 

roflol

Adaptable neural structures?  Well, one thing is for certain.  The *least* adaptive neural structure will be the one that gives up without even trying and buys into self-defeatist logic. 

I'll just keep on going and see what I can manage.  It's the only game in town.

Vibrato?  People angst so much over one stylistic technique.  I find a player with good intonation and timing, who can use a bit of dynamics far more impressive than I would one that can just do vibrato. 

So chill your jets, folks. Relax and enjoy your playing and see what you can make of it.  There is just no need for all the argument and unpleasantness.  It cuts into your playing and VIL (Very Important Loitering) time.  Life is too short as it is.  No point in wasting it when we could be playing.

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"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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My opinion is that vibrato is quite essential when playing the violin, it creates much sweeter tone, well, except for Baroque, vibrato is not required when playing baroque....but; one can still play a magnificent piece without vibrato! Plus, many fiddlers here play ad libitum, music is for one's joy, what they want to do is what they need to do.

cheers! - ⁰ℨ

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For some reason, Todd Ehle can't understand the simple concept of 'proper lighting' when making a video  I never watch his videos (not that any of these online videos has much value) for the simple reason he is playing in the dark. 

There's nothing wrong with the lighting. Myself and thousands of others see it just fine.

If you think these videos do not have much value, you are pretty much alone in your thoughts. You are extremely self-defeating, and I have no idea why.

Mr Jim

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you mean I'll never be a concert violinist?

 

oh how terrible, why do I bother. nobody else ever gets pleasure from playing, after all.

 

and there was me hoping to quit my job and become a successful, millionaire musician.

 

and @DanielB is epic. that is all.

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That's right Toni...

just like a bumblebee can't fly.

 

Oh wait... nobody told them they couldn't fly so they do... so...

I guess you CAN become whatever you want to become... if you don't pay attention to people like the OP who try to tell you it's impossible.

just sayin'

"If you practice with your hands you must practice all day. Practice with your mind and you can accomplish the same amount in minutes." Nathan Milstein

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Composer said
My method doesn't employ "watch me" videos or boring reams of exercises.  It simply employs the best musical passage for the job that already exists...that is 2 measures from Wohlfahrt book 1:  https://fiddlerman.com/wp-cont.....1_1-30.pdf

Its study #16 (first measure is 6 slurred 8th notes on the d-string and the second measure is a dotted half note on the a-string). 

The dotted half note (c-natural) on the a-string is the vibrato point.  The first measure contains chromaticism on the 2nd finger for the F-natural and F-sharp.  This means you slide the 2nd finger instead of dropping it.  This is an excellent preparation for the vibrato point in measure 2 which also uses the 2nd finger.  Also, the slurring and finger pattern on the d-string are excellent for developing dexterity (basically an extended version of Fiddlerman's dexterity exercise for the d-string) .  The string change to the A-string is great for freeing up the hand in order to vibrate and the fact that the last note on d-string is played with the 3rd finger provides leverage for the vibrating on the c-natural on the a-string.  Its best to try the arm vibrato at first.

Finally, there is a reference dvd for the Wohlfahrt books by Rachel Barton Pine to see how the entire study is done (although she uses the more difficult hand vibrato)

 

Let's see you do it. You can't can you. All talk, no substance. Post up, or shut up.

Seen it all. Done it all. Can't remember most of dunno ..... What was I saying???? facepalm

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I don't know what you people are arguing about, everything Composer says is 110% true.     Here he is offering sound advice and backing it up with facts and demonstrations and everyone gets all upset.

 

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You know what? Composer reminds me a little of Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh...always unhappy. Maybe we can all get together and find a way to cheer up poor Composer, like the residents of Pooh Corner did for Eeyore:

http://youtu.be/EDkCOA5xDQ8

 

To paraphrase the video description: Eeyore reveals the keys to happiness to his friends: Truthfulness, companionship, the joy of sharing and receiving, unconditional openness to the beauty within which does not depend on outer appearances or form.

Isn't that why we all keep coming back to Fiddlerman.com?

When the work's all done and the sun's settin' low,

I pull out my fiddle and I rosin up the bow.

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He reminds me more of Marvin the robot in Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. rofl

Seen it all. Done it all. Can't remember most of dunno ..... What was I saying???? facepalm

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Ferret said
He reminds me more of Marvin the robot in Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. rofl

lol,  I see what you did there. 

thumbs-upexactly  

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Guys-guys... Don't be so cruel to Composer.

I believe, You want to play violin, Composer. But for some kind of people learning is more stressful than for another. If You can't do something then there's a simple reason - it's impossible. You have a reason to not to watch Mr. Ehle's vodeos - they are too dark (not for me though, maybe You could do some brightness adjustments of your monitordunno) and this is your choise of free will.

I just don't understand why do You want others to be insured in it as You are... To make it all impossible for someone else? Feel lonely?

I guess, You spent a lot of free time to find a basic explanations to all of those impossibilities and wasn't too lazy to tell us all and warn. Thank You.

So, guys, let Composer to learn to play in his own way. And we can learn in another if like. 

I like to play violin, as most of you, and i don't care where it leads me to. And i don't care how far (near/middle-way) i can go.

 

To do or not to do - this is not a question. =)

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OK, I'll give a bit of help here - for anyone, Composer included.

I've put a post up, relating to ear training, and it's here :

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/p.....nerdrones/

It's in the learning part of the forum, but it's related to some of the issues that Composer mentioned in a few other threads.

Mr Jim dancing

 

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That'

 be it then. My pinkie is too short!

Or are my non-pinkies too long!

Until I can find out which, I give up!!

 

Ps . Composer rocks!!! Curve-ball logic is why I always come back to FM for learning

I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....

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Waving at Terry.. How the heck are you.... :)

Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

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Hey,, welcome back, TT.   cheers

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***waves back***

 

its all good thanks.

Been having problems logging in an answering posts using my iPhone so have brought my laptop haome to use.

 

bunny-headbang

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Glad you brought your laptop home to use. :-)

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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Fiddlerman said
Glad you brought your laptop home to use. :-)

 

I sure haave missed conversing with all my Fiddlerman buddies.

I guess it's about time I posted a progress video too, not Pachelbel though, I'm keeping that as my secret weapon lol

I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....

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