Welcome to our forum. A Message To Our New and Prospective Members . Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

AAA
Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope



Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSSsp_TopicIcon
Two questions about some note markings
Going through some Haydn and can't remember a couple things.
Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 (5 votes) 
Avatar
JimandThomas
Members

Regulars
May 8, 2023 - 11:59 am
Member Since: November 9, 2021
Forum Posts: 308
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thomas just received some music to practice for Kneisel Hall in a month and while he is at school, I am looking it over and for the life of me, I just can't remember a couple things. I ask for your kindness pahlease. 

 

On the first one, what is the "x" over the A? Is is a ghost note or a double sharp?

 

thumbnail.jpeg

 

On this second one, I know that numbers under the notes show fingerings, but what is the "5" about? Obviously we dont have 5 fingers on our left hand.

2.jpeg

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

Jim(Thomases Dad)

Avatar
wtw
Members

Regulars
May 8, 2023 - 12:18 pm
Member Since: November 10, 2018
Forum Posts: 353
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Obviously we dont have 5 fingers on our left hand.

Well, yes we have (sorry, couldn't resist…!) I have no idea what this 5 is doing there, though.

As for the cross, possibly a double sharp (what is the key signature ?), I have seen that once in a piano sheet (that was a long time ago and I don't remember which one, so I can't check). Maybe you can listen to a recording and see what note is played ?

Avatar
JimandThomas
Members

Regulars
May 8, 2023 - 12:20 pm
Member Since: November 9, 2021
Forum Posts: 308
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@wtw I looked everywhere but could not find a thing. It is

Haydn Sonata Op.8, No.2
I. Allegro
 
I was hoping to find a video showing someone playing the violin so I could see his fingerings.

Jim(Thomases Dad)

Avatar
wtw
Members

Regulars
May 8, 2023 - 12:50 pm
Member Since: November 10, 2018
Forum Posts: 353
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ok, found it on imslp, thank you. In the file "Cover, title page, preface and index" (download it too), they explain about little crosses above the notes (= appoggiaturas). The only thing is that the cross in the example in the preface (+) is not the same as the one in the sheet (x). But I think that's just an inconsistency in the preface, as I'm not seeing any + signs in the sheet. The example given seems to refer to Violin 1, Sonate 1 - Adagio, 3rd bar.

 

EDIT : this boy here is playing those 5 with a fourth finger (don't ask me in what position it is). It could be an extender 4th, no idea (start of video = bar 39 of the Allegro)

And this is him playing the first passage you pasted, also with a 4th finger (starts at ~ bar 93). The appoggiatura can be clearly heard too.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
May 9, 2023 - 4:54 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8992
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@JimandThomas - 

If it's in G major, wtw found & linked a great video for you!  It says in the video description, "...at Kneisel Hall Program for Maine Students, 2015"!

I have read that '4+' or '5' can mean extend the 4th finger.

From a cello forum (of all places 😄) I found the 'x' above a note means:

"...play those notes off the string, with a light spiccato, as proffered by guido" - seems there's usually a guide provided sometimes on the back(?) - which you may not have if you've been given a copy, but this was in reference to a Beethoven piece & may differ among composers.

An 'x' beside a note means: double sharp. 

From Wikipedia:

A ghost note 'x' takes the place of where the pitch is indicated. 

Quarter not with

Avatar
JimandThomas
Members

Regulars
May 10, 2023 - 7:42 am
Member Since: November 9, 2021
Forum Posts: 308
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

thank you again @wtw That was perfect. @ELCBK I just noticed the description(which I never read but should) How oddly perfect. 

Jim(Thomases Dad)

Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 696
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 181
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today reedc83, Fashionandfiddle
Upcoming anonkid, KindaScratchy, freesbee, paulinefiddle, Allenph, oneloudmime, MsJoy, ARCoyne, Gringo, Sandybourne, Ripton, Space., loveluach, husseinHr, Guido, A. V. Suvorov, Scrap, DennisS, JiminTexas, mcwey, Andie.Kae, Giovanni
Top Posters:
ELCBK: 8992
ABitRusty: 4368
Mad_Wed: 2849
Gordon Shumway: 2831
Barry: 2690
Fiddlestix: 2647
stringy: 2455
Oliver: 2439
DanielB: 2379
Mark: 2277
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 3
Members: 31769
Moderators: 0
Admins: 8
Forum Stats:
Groups: 16
Forums: 84
Topics: 10905
Posts: 138683
Newest Members:
NicholasReed SP, CarmenBrown SP, peopleshost_1, SergeViner, ruchishah SP, lobos, foron, frefuhf SP, piero87, michaelrobinson SP
Administrators: Fiddlerman: 16562, KindaScratchy: 1760, coolpinkone: 4180, BillyG: 3747, JoakimSimplePress: 0, MrsFiddlerman: 2, Jimmie Bjorling: 0, Mouse: 6265