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Would you bridge?
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Bach's Minuet No.3 begins with D (A3) and then does a string crossing to G(D3).   That G is also a slur with the following open A.

 

So the 3 notes are:  D, G-A.  They're bowed as a down bow followed by an up bow slur.

 

Would you bridge the D and the G?  Or would you lift and place your 3rd finger from A3 to D3?

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I am not familiar wih this piece, and have never seen it, but if the d is played first followed by the g which are played by a down bow I cant see how the g can be played as an up bow slur to the a  unless you play the g again, so it would be , d, g, g, a, but may be I am missing something as my brain is a bit foggy at the moment, if the G is indeed played twice I would hold down the d and g together with a 1 finger bar, then roll the finger so it is just holding down g, ready for the up bow and the open a, or I may move my finger very quickly depending on note length if its an eigth note you probably wouldnt have time to do it like that.

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@stringy

It's a down bow D followed by an upbow G slur (continued upbow) to open A.  Quarter note D and eighth note G-A

 

Suzuki Tips says to lift and place and keep D3 in place during the slur on the A (making sure to tunnel over the A string and not touch it).  I can do it either way (bridge both strings or lift off of A3 and place on D3) but was wondering if a particular way of doing it is better.

 

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Roll over to the G on D from the D on A. Here is a video. It does the Suzuki Bach 3 slow, then faster then she plays the 2nd violin for you to play along with,

Bach 3 Suzuki

This is also what was used for The Lover's Concerto by The Toys, 1966. 

Here is a teaching video for Suzuki Bach 3

Bach 3 Suzuki Lesson

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Dont lift the finger, as mouse says you roll it from the a string to the d string, I may lift if I was playing it but, its easier to keep in tune by rolling as your finger is already at the correct point on the string, assuming that the fiddle is perfectly in tune, if the fiddle wasnt perfectly in tune which can happen even when your playing, you would move the finger till its in tune but so quickly that no one  could tell you had hit the wrong note, this of course depends on how much your ears have developed, and are able to recognise notes which are perfectly in tune, which they do with time.

This is how heifetz said he did it, not with that tune but in general. On fiddle you have too learn how to hit the correct notes even when the fiddle goes out of tune, which is about as easy as auto correct on this tablet.

The best way of doing it is the one that works for you, but you should learn both ways because inevitably there will be a time when you need to do a similar thing which is easier the other way. hope that makes sense.

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Basically, you guys are saying to bridge the 2 strings.  At the 3rd finger, the strings are spaced too widely apart to cleanly bridge both of them at once so the technique is to roll your finger to stop the string being played.

 

I can work with that.

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My teacher hates bridging. I noticed that Suzuki is obsessed with perfect fifths, and I assume he wants you to learn the hopping technique very early on. (obviously not if it's legato.)

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RDP, bob on.

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