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Mandolin for violinist video
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ABitRusty
January 26, 2022 - 1:20 pm
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@mouse and others... The mandolin has been a recent discussion.   This may interest some.  Its presented by a violinist.   Its some ideas about playing mandolin after learning violin...the differences that may not seem apparent.. things that can help your violin playing because of trying things on mandolin.  

 

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Mark
January 26, 2022 - 6:23 pm
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ABitRusty

Thanks,

Well presented video on the mando to get started

 

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

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ELCBK
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January 26, 2022 - 8:43 pm
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@ABitRusty -

Nice video! 

Really liked what he said about learning 'hand shapes' for chords. 

I need to focus more on that.

Thanx!

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Gordon Shumway
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January 27, 2022 - 7:16 am
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Shapes are indeed interesting. He says there are 4 shapes because you have 4 fingers. He's not 100% correct.

There are four shapes because there are 4 unique strings. Mathematicians know this as Group Theory.

On guitar there are 5 shapes (Google CAGED) because there are 5 unique strings (the 6th string, E, is not unique).

On uke some people try to use the guitar's 5 shapes (Google CAGFD) as a transposition of the guitar's, but they are wrong to - the uke doesn't have the equivalent of the guitar's A string, and the resulting so-called D shape replicates the C shapes.

The tenor guitar is also tuned in fifths, and triad chords are worth looking at (they are more common on violin than using all 4 strings, and they only use 3 shapes). This video is very sweet (I haven't yet found a part 2): - 

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ABitRusty
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Andrew thats a good find.  

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January 27, 2022 - 7:56 am
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Here's what we mean by three shapes on violin (I didn't watch all of the mando video. Sorry if I repeat him)

Let's call (on D A and E strings)

shape 1 = DAF# or DAF (D major and minor with D string as tonic)

shape 2 = DBG or DBbG (G major and minor with E string as tonic)

shape 3 = D#BF# or DBF# (B major and B minor with A string as tonic)

If we use all 4 strings, we have two triads side by side (by dint of the fifths tuning, which guitar and uke don't share): -

E.g. the Bach BWV1001 prelude in G minor - the opening chord is GDBbG.

The GDA strings are shape 1 and the DAE strings are shape 2.

Using all four strings, you'll see there are only four possible shapes: -

1+2

1+3

2+3

3+1

(I mapped all this out years ago in a notebook, but I don't have it any more, so the above is from memory. If I've made any mistakes, I'll edit it). The best thing you can do is map it all out yourself.

That's how to keep grandkids quiet, Emily!dazeddevil-violin

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January 27, 2022 - 8:42 am
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@Gordon Shumway -

🤣  My Grandkids would throw that at me... or just stop talking to me altogether. 

I went back, with fresh eyes, and looked at the original video. 

Pretty sure now, I misunderstood - think he's just talking about shifting hand positions, using different fingers, not 'chord shapes'.  

Thanks, for your info on chords!

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Here's what you say to your grandkids: - "It's music theory or straightjackets and gags. The choice is yours."

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Emily you could always make it a game and also learning for yourself..by sampling.  havent done that myself so easier to suggest for you lol.   having kids grandkids myself I know it would become like herding cats.   ahh..just a good excuse to share this...lol... 

 

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January 27, 2022 - 10:48 am
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@Gordon Shumway -

...my Grandkids are NOT scared of me. (lol) 

 

@ABitRusty -

Toooo COOL! 

2nd Part is even MORE interesting! 🤗

Thanx!

You keep this up, I won't be playing the Violin anymore!

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@Gordon Shumway -

...my Grandkids are NOT scared of me. (lol) 

 

@ABitRusty -

Toooo COOL! 

2nd Part is even MORE interesting! 🤗

Thanx!

You keep this up, I won't be playing the Violin anymore!

 

mmm maybe

OR

it could work the other way.  

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Reviving this thread!

I still think, even if you only play the violin, it's worth checking out what/how people play tunes you love on other instruments!  I ALWAYS pick up interesting ideas! 

One of the few Bluegrass tunes I LOVE...

"Lonesome Moonlight Waltz" (Bill Monroe) - Chord Lesson from Magnus Zetterlund!

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