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What makes modal scales different?
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Gordon Shumway said
  Eric Taylor says no music has ever been composed in Locrian (not unless someone has recently done it to try to prove a point).  

I rest my case.

"Heavy, yet flowing" reminds me of Strabo's mucus.

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I LOVE this thread - it's really been mind-blowing. 🤗 

So, I have more to add to all this 'Modes madness', from Charles Cornell! 

 

 

 

Actually thought about taking some of the rabbit holes started here & continuing them in another thread. 

🤔 ...maybe ready for more scales? 

- Emily

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This video, by Ryan Leach, might really help people who want to try to remember the basic modes. 

I admit I was still needing to look them up - this seems easier to remember if I just think of which scale degrees of each mode is flatted... duh. 

 

 

...hope I didn't have this already buried in this thread somewhere. 🥴 

- Emily

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whatever clicks for someone is the way.   I think some of these things just come down to memorization.   Then finding songs or tunes that are examples of each and listening a bunch in a more analyzing way.  Seems to be how alot of the theory stuff just is... spending time trying to memorize, then playing it, then listening for it in favorite songs.  Decide if a song is in or uses sections in a particular mode... check resources to see if correct.. if wrong figure out why.  over and over until stuff starts to stick.   I say that feeling confident about mixo and major tunes.   possibly dorian.   but really in the grand scheme on fiddle hasnt got in the way.  its great to go after but as you need things they tend to work themselves into the mixolydian. 😁  opinion.  someone just cringed.. 🤣

But theres more than one way to look at it.   the scale way you just shared may be easier on violin and more on the fly friendly when you get it memorized.  you dont have the conversion step of thinking about what step in a mjor scale a certain mode falls...mixo is just flat the 7.   on the flipside of that you have to memorize..flat the 7 

great stuff you find and share and fun to discuss.. more! 🙂

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I LOVE THIS THREAD!

Well, here's some VERY COOL sounding Modes - that you probably won't memorize!  Click on the links to see & hear the scales, plus more info. 

This fabulous site of Ian Ring's could be my lifelong playground!

The Enigmatic Scale 

(considered 1st Mode)

Phraptian 

(2nd Mode)

Mela Kantamani 

(3rd Mode)

Katythian 

(4th Mode)

Madian

(5th Mode)

Aerygian 

(6th Mode)

Mela Manavarti 

(7th Mode)

When you hear them all played - HALLOWEEN... beautiful! 

 

 

Check out music by Ian Ring!

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I don't want to get away from the Modes Topic - but want to shed a little light on ways to think of the Enigmatic scale for improvisation.

mDecks Music starts by seeing it's part Altered Scale (Superlocrian Scale - ↑post #122) and part Dominant Bebop Scale (there are several Bebop scales). 

He uses the Circle of 5ths.

Using Substructures of the Enigmatic Scales for improvisation. 

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Back to Modes and Ian Ring, LOVE the concept of Mutant Modes (Deep Scales)! 

The Exciting Universe of MUsic Theory - Mutant Modes

 

Now, when it comes to scales & modes, I find it MUCH easier to relate by keyboard, than guitar - so I've been targeting them.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/57/f7/7257f72c90bbfa7cafcbdf77d579f3f2.jpg

...we've come a long way from the OP! 

- Emily 

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