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...really wish I was a perspicacious person - I wouldn't have to wait for some of this stuff to sink in by osmosis, before I understand it! 

 

"How to Practice Syncopated Rhythms on the Violin" - Joy Lee.

 

To me, syncopation doesn't necessarily have to be an accent on an 'off-beat' - but can also be an accent on an 'unexpected-beat', or absence of an accent on an 'expected-beat'. 

Isn't this syncopation?  (Christian Howes) 

 

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...some practice. 

 

"Playing Hooked Bow-strokes in Syncopated Rhythms" - Ros Stephen from Violinworks. 

 

"Dirty Bluegrass Fiddle Rhythms" Play-along with Christian Howes! 

 

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Am I right to believe 'Dirty' rhythms are syncopated? 

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Think he always does a great job explaining things.

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@ABitRusty -

Thank you. 

What I got from Jason's video - syncopation occurs if I accent between beats.

I understand that... but I'm hearing irregular rhythms with accents ON certain beats, in some tunes - that sounds like syncopation.  

This video is a good example of why I'm confused - sounds like syncopation to me (and says it is), but it's not on the 'off-beats'. 

 

😳 Are these tunes using 'off-beats', if not - how do I describe the syncopation I hear?

 

 

Sorry, this is starting to driving me crazy - at least I don't have any trouble playing them! 

...and, what is 'Dirty' rhythm?  😶

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@ABitRusty -

I really appreciate you trying to help me with this. 

With what you've done with backing & rhythm instruments, I think you hear all this soooo much better than I can. 

I can't tell if I'm possibly hearing music played on the 'off-beat' and I just don't realize it (?)

 

At this point, I'm not even sure if "syncopated emphasis" is the same thing as "syncopation"... feels like it's a trap.  😖 

I'm trying to listen to the Owls!

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your questions are the same questions Ive had..and i still dont know if have it sorted out.  Your discussions are great because you give some great tracks to talk about.  I think we tried to copy that groove in freemount.. for fun. 🤪  and it was but it was for that only.  

idk though.  I take part in the discussion but its coming from the same place youre at.

 

if in 4/4 ..you could put emphasis on 1 and 3 OR 2 and 4. Ive seen for example in reels where people say you have to emphasize 1 and 3 and others say 2 and 4.  And I struggle to do either consistantly and end up mixing it up and just playing for better or worse.. I think thats where that first video is helpful.  but isnt that a different subject from syncopation?  Feel like i get in a confusing loop on the subject if think about it too much.

but theres also places between the 1,2,3 and 4 where you have counts that alot of the chopping and strumming and drums come into play.  on the &'s like what Jason was talking about. BUT..if something is clicking along with 1 & 3 being pretty heavy beats and a section gets played where 2&4 suddenly feel stronger..what is that?   franks reel always comes to mind in these talks.  b part ..heavy sounding note on 2& and the 4..makes it cool.

I think we (people) are better at hearing it than explaining it.  Or are we 🤯  ahh..maybe just good to try and play the stuff and let it sort itself out in someway.  Do we have to be able to dissect music properly in a scientific way to enjoy it?  Or can we just be happy playing something as best we can like weve heard others play it?  

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@ABitRusty said:

your questions are the same questions Ive had..and i still dont know if have it sorted out.

Feel like i get in a confusing loop on the subject if think about it too much.

🤔... well, this is another fine mess we're in! 

Geez, Strathspeys feel syncopated to me, yet they are just described as having a jagged rhythm.  

GROOVE, Syncopated, or discombobulated - if I had MY way, I'd just call them ALL CROOKED... but that term means an uneven number of measures. 😒 

 

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YES, I can just be happy playing these tunes!

😖 ...even if I'm not any good at telling people what I like about them. 

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I know and can say why i like tunes.

And Im not saying one shouldnt try and understand things.

and although Im not one to teach a class on syncopated rhyhtms as they relate to folk music.   That doesnt make my experience with the instrument less.  I dont have to be a music scholar and nobody else does to play. 

some music is easier to play by ear, or play along with, than try and notate out exactly whats going on though.  Sorry that you cant say a tune is crooked and not mean its syncopated.  you were born too late i guess 😁  

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🤣 I had to edit my post. 

I do know why I like a tune, much more so than a few years ago. 😊

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yeah..i have to say in that regard we differ.  I know when i hear a tune if i like it and why.   Maybe as time goes by i can replicate what im hearing easier and more true to the source i initially heard.   but that has as much to do with technical skill growth as knowledge.  

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