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Traditional Fiddle Intonation vs. Classical Violinist Intonation
Different Venues, Different Intonation?
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ELCBK said

@Sasha -

You've really piqued my curiosity! 

What's the tuner you have & how do you use it? 

Does the Fiddlershop carry it or something similar? 

- Emily

Here are some of the tuners that we carry:
https://fiddlershop.com/collec.....lin-tuners

What specifically are you looking for Emily?

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I was curious that Sasha had mentioned - "strobe tuners that you can store sweetened/offset tunings" and she said, "The tuner I use has those offsets built in."

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@ELCBK Did you ever find the strobe tuner mentioned? 

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@Mouse - 

Did some research on the Strobe tuners vs Digital - may find using a strobe tuner more worth the extra $ when I'm ready to play E/V, but not right now.

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When will you start playing the E/V? Do you have one yet? Is it a 5 string one or will it be? 

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stringy said
I have even been to [Dalí's] house in figueres in Spain crazy house,  and well worth a visit.

Figueras is sweet - well, it was 30 years ago - I had a lovely lunch there - chicken, croquette potatoes and stuff and a local, but superb, white wine that cost 40 pesetas a glass. The café owner gave me a bottle. After I had finished I told him I had had 3 glasses, and he only charged me 40 pesetas! While I ate I watched the Flintstones on TV with his 4-year-old son.

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I thought I had asked this before, but I can't remember.

Tuners often have V and C settings, for Violin and Chromatic. In an ideal world the tunings would be different (chromatic being ET, V being JI). But in reality I don't think tuners are anywhere near that sophisticated, or accurate - most of them will use off the peg chips and crystals.

I think I must have asked on vcom, as I remember calculating that there was only half a hertz in it and it wasn't worth the worry (although some of them claimed it was a couple of cents and they could hear that as a pitch difference).

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Incidentally, I see @Fiddlerman sells Planet Waves tuning forks. They are beautiful. I have them in A and E. They used to do C 262 and twice I have ordered one but been told the listing was a mistake and they are discontinued. I occasionally check EBay for one, but no luck. (C tuning forks are useful for the ukulele, so I have a bunch of cheap Chinese ones in 523).

The Planet Waves forks are color-coded - that red ring is a rubber band that can come off and get lost, so it might be a good idea to glue it in place if you can squeeze out the tiniest drop of superglue. Otoh, the Wittner ones are surprisingly cheap.

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Hmm Thinking Here Smiley

I know threads veer off subject, but this one's on it's way to Jupiter. (lol)

Thought it was pretty interesting how intonation might need to be adjusted or changed, depending on the type of music being played and even who you are playing along with. 

Has anyone had any experience with this? 

What genre of music? 

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When my teacher first turned up to our uke club, she was early and started tuning her uke before anyone else got there. I said, "wait till more people turn up and take an average". Many a true word spoken in jest!

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20181018_144524.jpgImage EnlargerGordon Shumway said

stringy said

I have even been to [Dalí's] house in figueres in Spain crazy house,  and well worth a visit.

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Figueras is sweet - well, it was 30 years ago - I had a lovely lunch there - chicken, croquette potatoes and stuff and a local, but superb, white wine that cost 40 pesetas a glass. The café owner gave me a bottle. After I had finished I told him I had had 3 glasses, and he only charged me 40 pesetas! While I ate I watched the Flintstones on TV with his 4-year-old son.

I have some images of the inside of Dalis house if you are interested I will post them on here, he is my favourite artist, along with Michaelangelo.

Not been to Trapani but I have been to catania and syracusa, the latter being a beautiful town.

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I think Emily may be locating us somewhere between Uranus and Neptune by now!

Here's a picture by my favourite artist, and it's not even off topic!

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I have to cut in here. We do not make derogatory remarks about other countries or areas within those countries on this forum. I have removed the derogatory remarks from the replies. If I missed any in your posts, please edit them out. 

We are a multi-national forum and all are welcome. As such, we do not make derogatory comments about countries or areas within those countries. I know no harm was intended.

Please get back in some vicinity of ELCBK’s topic of this thread. 

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No offence intended, I have been to a lot of beautiful places in Europe.

Love the image Andrew.

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@stringy 👍

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I apologise. It won't happen again.

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@Gordon Shumway Thank you. 

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@Mark -

Thank you sooo much, for bringing to my attention some very interesting software! 

"Intonia" appears to have great potential for Fiddlers, Violists and Ceddlers/Cellists. 

Not only to help us tighten up intonation within a particular scale AND temperament, but also for analyzing traditional music... and much more. 

Not sure how this compares to other software out there, but I'm always on a quest to find the most user-friendly.  

https://intonia.com/index.shtml

Might help me take the guess work out of the tunes I've heard that don't fit into "equal temperament" - traditional Irish, Old Time and Nordic tunes with neutral, flatted or raised notes. 

Anyone regularly play tunes that use neutral, flatted or raised notes? 

Ref. Fiddling Around The World site

https://fiddlingaround.co.uk/t.....ation.html

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Just to wet your appetite, for a discussion on intonation.

Here is a discussion on that topic and a few other topics for the enquiring minds.

 

Mark

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@Mark -

Brian says, "For much of our developmental violin lives, at least 10 years, maybe 15, we are all about setup (hand/finger position), proper setup - and if you are indeed properly setup, then you can reach everything and everything feels good and it's all pretty much in tune.  The last (pro) level though, has 2 components to intonation and that is your choice, where you put the pitch... which is what I'm mainly going to be talking about today, and your consistency in getting there every time." 

Laughing So Hard Smiley

...I probably don't have 10 or 15 years left for anything! 

 

Very interesting discussion on "Expressive or Melodic" intonation, though! 

Gets back to many points I tried to make at the beginning of this thread.

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But hearing the difference in 2 cents... not holding my breath until that happens! (lol) 

 

Thanx, Mark - great find!  

 

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