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Music of Blå Bergens Borduner - and it's Members
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Blå Bergens Borduner 

What I love about this Swedish Folk group - the addition of the Swedish bagpipes (svensk säckpipa)! 

Anders Nordudde, Ulf Karlsson, Göran "Freddy" Fredrikson, and Stefan Ekedahl - all play the pipes, along with other instruments.

Very nice selection of tunes to listen/to learn on their album:

Inga konstigheter Album Playlist 

 

Gullbrand - my current favorite Swedish tune to play (by ear) on the fiddle! 

 

 

Many folks are familiar with 'Gånglåt från Äppelbo' - this ain't it!  Some unusual tonality used here, in their version of Gånglåt från Äppelbo Finnmark

 

Besides this album, each of the group's members has a wealth of their own performance videos (solo, and with other musicians) - some original music! 

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Many folks are familiar with 'Gånglåt från Äppelbo'- this ain't it!  Some unusual tonality used here, in their version of Gånglåt från Äppelbo Finnmark

YES.. this is awesome!  love it.   Thanks for pointing it out.   Youre absolutely correct in the unusual tonality.  some intervals there that are unexpected, or at least ones im not used to hearing in the traditional type music.   sounds almost like something youd hear in a musical or ballad.

  Havent worked them out for myself, but a half or whole step up from what the expected note is?  idk but whatever it is gave it a cool sound.

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a quick check and tonally seems to be in landing on E? .. and it is a half step thats stands out

whats funny is that may not be what you were talking about..

thoughts?

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@ABitRusty -

Sorry, I hadn't thought about it (usually don't when I first 'sample' tunes) - I just play what I hear. 

Yes, it's in Emaj - but SURPRISE!!! it moves from B down to G (instead of the G#*), an augmented third.  Then gets more in our face when that G up to C# is repeated (reinforcing a tritone), before it walks up & back down all in Emaj.  For that brief period it's in Dmaj/Glyd (the tritone) - which isn't the closest neighbor on the circle of fifths, and not a relative or parallel key. 

So, who thinks up modulating to a tritone in an unrelated key???? 

...those crazy Swedes & Norskies!  🤭

I LOVE IT NOW!

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yes it is modulating.. Emaj chord and Bmajor was was working well on the main theme.. that higher part im wondering if it doesnt go to Eb instead of B though.. there are some F#'s and C#'s being played as individual notes at times.  Then they sneak in an F and Bb note

crazy tune.. lol.. really cool.  

i got a little time last night with instruments.. 

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There's no flats in Emaj - just C#, D#, F#, G#. 

I only played the melody notes & ornaments out (along with the recording) on keyboard to make sure of the key & the 1st modulation.  The only other odd note (besides G) is at approx 2:12 - E to F, but really something inbetween(?)  Don't think an ornament, but hey... listening to pipes here! 🥴

I see a mistake in my previous post - the difference between the 1st & 2nd phrases: the 1st descends A to F#, the 2nd phrase descends B to G (B to G#, not F#, would be expected), then does the tritone from G to C#, etc...

Whatever you figure out with chords is great! 

I just never think of chords until I'm done memorizing the melody & ornaments - need to decide if I'll keep it in the original key, first.

 

...kinda sneaky, getting me to learn this tune!  Was going to work on Grabbarnas intåg i Medeltiden, before this. 

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There's no flats in Emaj - just C#, D#, F#, G#. 

I wasnt debating notes in Emaj.  ..  i was suggesting that instead of modulating between E maj and B maj its going E to Eb. .. but im open to it being whatever it IS

anyway cool tune you found and shared...i doubt ill get time to learn it..  ill have to enjoy listening ti this one. 🙂

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Sorry, I'm trying to understand what you are saying about Ebmaj... there's no C# in Ebmaj.  Are you hearing a C natural somewhere?

 

I mentioned all the accidentals of the Emaj scale, because it not only includes Eb as D#, but also G# - NOT G (where the modulation begins).  

The 2nd phrase starts like the 1st, but D# begins the descending part of the 2nd phrase - D#, C#, B, G.  The modulation starts with that G and follows with the tritone interval - G up to C#/C# down to G.  

The only scale with G and C# is Dmaj (G lydian, if G is considered the tonal center of the modulation here - it's still same notes as Dmaj).  

It's definitely back in Emaj by the end of the 2nd phrase, with playing E, half step down to D#, resolving back to E.  Is this what you are talking about?  

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i believe i found a Bb and and F natural and Eb (D#)  note depending on place in music....last night playing around with it..  i dont remember it all so going to say you got it.  What i was saying is .. maybe instead of modulating to B its Eb ..but for just a bit.  

btw..Cmaj and Dmaj chords never fit to my ear.  I dont think Gmaj did either.  but i didnt try a Gminor... i bet at one point it would.

im not saying im right and definately not saying youre wrong...im just sharing observations.

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Appreciated your thoughts! 

Yes, Bb (as A#) - unless you're getting down to cents, with Bb not equal to A#... 😖

Heard that one 'F' (about at 2:12) - but may be microtonal.  I did slow the video down to .25 to try to catch hearing all the pipe-playing tonal quirks & ornaments. 

Geez... these pipes don't have sound control like Uilleann pipes, more like they're chock-full of inherent audio artifacts!  It's why they are so appealing to me.

I do think the chords are important, but I'll have to leave it for down the road... had to go play with the cat. 😁 

Thanks for stirring the pot! 

 

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@ABitRusty -

Cleared my head & played along with the Äppelbo Gånglåt (Finnmark) again tonight...  

Thought this tune was AABB, AABB, CCBB.  C part starts at 2:08... where it sounds like it's going to dive right into the Äppelbo Gånglåt everyone knows, but it's in some minor sounding mode of D, and doesn't repeat, so CD parts?  Finishes with parts BB. 

I'm sure you were trying to tell me something about THIS modulation, because there's more than just that tritone & the 'F' I mentioned.  ...very weird to have such a small hint/kinda sickly version of the other Äppelbo Gånglåt. 😶

What's really weird, I've listened to this darn tune so much now - the 'shock & awe' value has worn off! 😳 

🤔... I didn't think to check if they are playing in 'A' = 440. 

 

I will work on this more, over time - but, I want to dig into some of the music each of the members has composed & performs outside the group!  

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I'm sure you were trying to tell me something about THIS modulation

idk.. Possibly.  It seemed like it shifted more than once, but always wound back at E.  

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