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I'm about 3 weeks into learning the violin. I'm switching back and forth between fiddle stuff and violin stuff. I have not been using tape on the neck, but I am thinking of doing so. I'm a little torn though.
At first, I didn't use tape thinking that would make me a wuss. But as I go along, I find that i'm taking more time adjusting for a missed note than learning a song.
If I just go passed the missed note, I have a tendency to repeat that error. Does anyone have any suggestions on weather to tape or not to tape? If so, what positions do I tape. I was thinking of taping at 1.5 steps, 5 steps and 12 steps.
I never used tapes or any other marks, so i don't know what positions You could tape... But i You decide to put something on the fingerboard, then put this one:
- no head ache about positions - all marked =)
You asked The Question.
Some people swear by them and others swear when they see them. I think their usefulness depends on one's learning style. I have a decal on my fingerboard and find it helps me since, when I err, I can see where my finger is too high or too low. It also really helps me visualize the notes in terms of half and whole steps.
The biggest downside is that I don't think in terms of "A, B, etc." but rather "A0, A2, etc." so it makes reading sheet music a bit tougher.
I haven't found that it ruins my ear training. I can still hear a bad note and, when I do, I immediately check to see how far out of position my hand has slid. I think it has actually helped because I can be more consistent so I can learn a correct sound faster.
This all may be unique to me, though.
You don't really have anything to lose by trying tapes. If you don't like them or they don't help then you can just pull them off.
Hmm, i might just try them. I wasn't sure if learning without them would be more benificial for finding that correct position. But, being a guitar player, having that line of reference might be helpful. I will be building a fiddle, i might just inlay a few things in the fingerboard.
Thanks for the input.
eojo2 - I think everyone just starting to play comes to grips with this issue. I've been playing now for just 10 wks; the first 2 wks I swore I'd not use a crutch, but then, because I wasn't honing in on the notes as accurately/quickly as I had hoped, I thought my problem must be not having any idea where the correct position was, so then I tried an applique with various notes/finger positions for 3 wks, then took it off. I discovered, for me, that just because the applique identifies correct finger placement, it's not accurate because each individual's fingers are different (different sizes/shapes/etc.), so I still had to hone into the correct note using my ear.
Of course the difference with frets on a guitar and a fretless string instrument is, the fret provides a fixed point on the fingerboard, whether your finger is 1 mm or 8 mm behind the fret. On the violin, just rocking your finger back a mm changes the pitch.
And it's not like you have 20"s of territory to learn, it's a pretty small fingerboard. When I took the applique off, for me anyway, I had to rely on my ear, and I think I developed that skill much faster than I might have had I continued to use the applique.
But like Fiddle4Fun said, you have absolutely nothing to loose in trying them; I just think it's very personal, what does and doesn't work.
Just another perspective for what it's worth. Good luck, this is such an incredible instrument!
I too struggled with this and my thoughts are that the tape is to tell you where to put your fingers so that you can find the hand position that is correct for you.
There is no "Correct" hand position or anchor point that works for everyone.
The idea of the tape is to get your fingers in the right place so you can find the comfortable hand position for you.
Its the place you put your hand so your finger tips fall in the correct place comfortably.
Use the hand position from the first notes video and use the muscles in you forearm not your hand.
I started out with an applique and after awhile I took it off. Now that I am trying to learn different positions I ordered another. I don't look at the tape when playing and have learned to know when a note doesn't sound right but I find it a good help for me to look and see where my hand is when my intonation is off then I can correct my hand and start again until it becomes memorized. I don't think of it as a crutch at all. I think of it as a learning aid. People learn in different ways and what is right for some may not be right for you. It seems that you already can tell if a note is off and if you need to go higher or lower and I think this is what the tapes help with so if you want the tapes to help you know what you already know than don't put them on and keep practicing. I hope I make sense to you since sometimes I confuse myself.
I'm doing this the hard way, no tapes nothing and it's hard! I am ajusting my fingers all the time but then I'm still in my first week so I bet this will be normal for months to come anyway. I'm trying to make my finger memorize how it feels to be in this or that note position. I'm sure it's slowing me down but then I'm trying to keep my eyes on my music sheet instead of the fingerboard! Every time I practice though I am tempted to put some tapes there!
"It can sing like a bird, it can cry like a human being, it can be very angry, it can be all that humans are" Maxim Vengerov
After 3 months of practice without, I'm thinking of trying it.
Here's why, at first I only used G and D major scales and everything was fine(ish). Now I'm trying to play in F major, C major and Bflat major, all my finger positions seem to get jumbled up, so if only for Natural notes (I can judge sharps and flats from there) I'm thinking of using any help to memorise.
I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....
Don't think of using tapes or apliques as a crutch. People learn in different ways. Some can see a video of something and fully comprehend it while others can read it and fully comprehend. Others comprehend better when being lectured to. If the common goal is to learn to play violin than use what works best for you not what works best for others.
I'd like to see a virtuoso in a big time orchastra, dressed in a Tux, looking all cool, stand up, ready to play a solo in front of a thousand people, with a violin that has a paper applique taped on it...
Hahaha, wouldn't that be the funniest!
Thanks for putting that image in my head CdB!
I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....
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