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bunify

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I’m always feeling like when I get to the next note sometimes I run out of bow. 
how do you plan out your notes on the bow to make sure you don’t run out of bow? 
I see people using whole bows but they don’t run out. 

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@bunify - indeed, this can be an issue when starting out.  It probably depends (to some extent) on the learning materials you are using - many of those with a more rigorous approach will probably guide you through how, where and when to alter bow distribution, bow speed and bow direction change.  However I'm not a "violinist" - I'm a fiddler - so I won't recommend any treatise in particular - there are others more able to do so!  However - what I found really useful was to take scores that were clearly marked with bow direction changes, and work, almost bar by bar, to fit in to the intended direction-changes indicated.  Doing that showed me - just by practise and trial and error - where I need to speed up the bow, or slow it down (possibly adjusting weight and pressure if required) to fit in to the intended bowing pattern. 

Some of Pierre's beginner pieces are very well marked in this regard - for instance the simple version of Amazing Grace - to be found here - https://fiddlerman.com/wp-cont.....Simple.pdf - not only with direction change, but also clearly indicating slurred runs of notes...    That sort of thing may help, and eventually, you'll just do it almost automatically, even with a score which  doesn't have these helpful indications.

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Good question.

(is this video wrongly embedded?)

There's a video I could post where a guy has an excellent left hand, but zero expression in his right hand, so he has no problems with bow distribution. Whereas I go for maximum expression and screw it up, lol!

I'm guessing that it becomes a lot easier when you can confidently bow close to the bridge.

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@Gordon Shumway said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....93xkMkt0qo

(is this video wrongly embedded?)

The video played fine. Nicola Benedetti is wonderful. Her videos are very well done. I have two of her CD’s and when I want to get inspired to try to push forward, I have no confidence in my violin and tend to stay with what I can do (do not change this thread to address that), I put her CD’s in. Highly recommend her instruction video.

                  Learn Violin and Fiddle

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                         Fiddlerman's Fiddle Talk Forum

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Perhaps there was no point in posting this, and there was a huge choice of places to put it (can't find threads like What's on your musicstand right now?), but it's what I'm practising, which is surprising because normally I'm looking at something baroque trying to get my detaché faster, or trying to work out the bowings in triple-time pieces.

This piece is very slow, but deceptive (try the second violin part for the exercise). It's not easy to make it sound perfect. All the bowing needs to be worked out. It's good exercise for slow bowing. Play with a metronome if there's any risk of deceiving yourself about the length of notes.

We're playing an arrangement for string orchestra, so it's slightly different, and it may not be copyright free in the USA.

https://petruccimusiclibrary.c.....trings.pdf

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What a nice piece of music @Gordon Shumway !

You may be on the point of converting me from a fiddler to a violinist facepalm

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

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Note that that film's editor is a callow 33-year-old David Lean!

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@Gordon Shumway -

Nice piece! 

I watched this grand old film when I was young and can see where this score would be great for bowing. 

Thanks for sharing it! 

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d4/c6/28/d4c628e64168de3e18e2f663a50b998c.jpg

 

...just saw the film is available on HBO Max.  It's been many years since I've watched this, so maybe I'll take a look at it again. 🎃 

- Emily

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