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Violin and Ear Training
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May 9, 2022 - 10:11 am

I must say, my ear for tone and pitch is getting much better as I proceed in my Violin studies.

My natural state is to hearing thing "sharp".

That is, if I were to tune my guitars free hand (without the aid of a tuner), they will always be tuned a bit sharp. Kinda rough on gigs or just playing with others,  but I've dealt with it most of my life.

I'm beginning to hear differences in tone MUCH better today as well as pitch . :)
Of course my ears are 68 years old, about to be 69 shortly, and have been subjected to Stevie Ray Vaughn and Johnny Winter et.al. over the years. 

My audiologist is gonna love this!!!
YAY VIOLIN!!

-Jim

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Do you think you had to focus on intonation as much when playing guitar as you do the violin? 

...a bare-naked neck make a difference?

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ELCBK said
Do you think you had to focus on intonation as much when playing guitar as you do the violin? 

...a bare-naked neck make a difference?  

Seriously?

99% of the world's guitarists don't know the meaning of the word intonation. That's what frets are for!

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@Gordon Shumway -

I was trying to be tactful.

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May 9, 2022 - 1:12 pm

ELCBK said
Do you think you had to focus on intonation as much when playing guitar as you do the violin? 

...a bare-naked neck make a difference?

  

Yes, as bit.
But not quite like violin where the slightest misstep can cause you to be sharp or flat.
Now, that said, I can certainly tell if one of my guitar strings is out of tune, especially at volume.

-Jim

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May 9, 2022 - 1:14 pm

Gordon Shumway said

ELCBK said

Do you think you had to focus on intonation as much when playing guitar as you do the violin? 

Seriously?

99% of the world's guitarists don't know the meaning of the word intonation. That's what frets are for!

  

LOL!!! Very, very true. ESPECIALLY the youngun's today.
Not only don't they know what intonation is, they don't care. But let me not get started...

-Jim

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All fretted instruments are easier to play, it depends on what standard is aimed for. Look at someone like Steve vai and the audition he passed to play for Zappa, the musical questions Zappa asked him, its very amusing, then you get the busker on the street, totally different things. like my uncle pete aged 85 he took up Ukelele after his wife died, never played an instrument in his life , six months later he was playing it and singing in a local club, they all enjoy it, have a sing along and tap their feet which is what its all about, I think a lot of people lose sight of the fact its enjoyment, unless your someone like Vai, where it is their living.

I will never be particularly good at fidde, I am happy if I can play it in tune to be honest, and dont really care what others think if truth be told, but I would never put down anyone who has put the time in to try and learn no matter what the instrument is, and it angers me when others do, if I heard someone play piano for instance that wasnt very good I would still applaud them for doing aomething I cant, or at least trying to do.

Violin is a challenge thats why I took it up myself, nothing wrong with that, Any musical instrument takes practice to play some are just harder than others.

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When I started learning to play I really had no idea what intonation is.  After almost 6 months I can tell the difference between sharps and flats most of the time.  I still can't hear when a string is in tune though and have to use a tuner as part of setting up to practice.  I don't know if that will ever change.

Given that, I probably won't ever be more than a moderately good player.  For me, being able to play at all is enough although I do have dreams of being able to play some of the more "advanced" pieces and have them be recognizable as "music."

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@Doc-Ivory - Hearing sharp is fairly common, If by hearing sharp you mean that you feel that the note should be a bit higher. Also, that is fine as long as you hear it relatively across the board and not playing in an ensemble. IOW, that the intervals are in-tune.
In Europe we mostly tuned to 443 rather than 440 so I am damaged goods. I rarely listen to a tuning note before playing.

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Fiddlerman said
@Doc-Ivory - Hearing sharp is fairly common, If by hearing sharp you mean that you feel that the note should be a bit higher. Also, that is fine as long as you hear it relatively across the board and not playing in an ensemble. IOW, that the intervals are in-tune.

In Europe we mostly tuned to 443 rather than 440 so I am damaged goods. I rarely listen to a tuning note before playing.

  

I hadn't known that hearing a bit higher is common!!! TRULY!

A tuned to 440 "D" always sounds a bit better to me up a 1/4 of a tone higher, maybe even less but higher in pitch.

-Jim

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