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...Musicians are a rare breed. many learn the notes and can play some pieces. But to take something and make it a part of you, now thats what makes you different. old time musicians, Irish, Scot's and Classical , etc all share the same thing. We take a tune and interpert it,BB King once said Ive never played the same song twice
You're not going to eat us newbies, are you?
I'm thinking BBQ. Anyone with me!?

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Relax! Relax....
I'm a beginner and still trying to learn so I'm a little nervous and stiff. Then I would think about how violin sounds, how it felt in my hands, how someday I will be able to play with grace like you... I am thankful that I could hear such soothing sound.
"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment." -Buddha
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HEh! I guess i have not enough English alphabet to explain, what happens in my head while playing. Something like that:
"Music, i remember how you must sound.. and nooow i wiiiill plaaay youuu ! Put fingers on violin
, here is the bow
... and...
SCCKKKRRR.. RUINED... ok.. fixit-fixit-fixit- again.. now it goes..
BOUNCING!! ok.. bouncing... HEH bouncing... Hmmm bouncing... bouncing...
NOT bouncing.. HOW DID I JUST DO IT?- SCKRRRRRR-
... same place AGAIN!
Aaa-Bbb-Ccc-Ddd-Eeeeeeeeee ...
Good! Have i feed my cats?-SSSSCKKKKRR- D*MN IT!!
Again: 1st fngr, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 1st- not 1st it's 2nd- SCKRRRRRR!..
... NEIGHBOURS.. anybody still alive there ?..."

Fiddlerman said:
…How about adding, "I want to sing this with my violin" and see what happens….
Already know — SCKKRRR !
I've tried . And even tried to tap with my foot at the same time – really bracing! I would recommend that as an exercise in the morning if one can't wake up and feels like a noodle . But i sing sometimes. And also know a good exercise for ears: sing a note before you play it WITH the one you play now. For example G dur scale: playing G- singing A, playing A-singing B etc.
Thanks for advice about neighbors. I think they accepted my playing, because they don't have a choice. But i still nervous when while i'm practicing they don't start to jump above with a hope to make my ceiling fall on me.

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Huh? We are supposed to think when we're playing??
I don't think when I'm playing, generally. Not anything that could be put in words or pictures.
Kind of like walking..I don't think "Ok, left foot.. and now right.. and left again.. Hmm.. better turn a little so I don't run into that coffee table.." I mean, you just walk across the room.
When I'm first learning a song/piece there would be a bit of thought sometimes, or more when I'm writing music.
But once I have it memorized, I'm mostly just listening as I play, being aware of the sounds.
I view playing music as a sort of meditation, a break from regular thinking.
"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman


I play jazz standards on my violin. I'm thinking how to make my violin sound like a jazz singer or improvise like Stephane Grappelli. Tall order, I know?
I'm only learning for about 3 months, and working hard on intonation with a tuner.
On a side note, does anyone know how long it takes to work on intonation with the tuner, before every note falls into place, assuming an hour of practice daily?
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."

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Violin - mostly about the mechanics of playing - especially if it's something new. I know a few tunes fairly automatically now, and mainly think about phrasing and intonation.
On my more familiar instruments, especially piano, when I play something I know well, I'm just thinking about the music and the emotion. That's the feeling that keeps me wanting to play, and my ambition is to get that same feeling when playing violin.

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fulfillingsoul, my advice, as a fellow beginner, would be to put away the tuner, and really let your ears and fingers do the work. Get rid of the crutch as early on as you can. It's hard to train your ear when you're training your eyes to watch a tuner (or finger markers). I'm sure you know what the notes should sound like, and will surprise yourself
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I think about the recording I have heard of each particular song.
Midnight On The Water - Benny Thomasson
Jerusalem Ridge - Kenny Baker https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....MD95CopUmA
Bonaparte's Retreat - William H. Stepp
Violinist start date - May 2013
Fiddler start date - May 2014
FIDDLE- Gift from a dear friend. A 1930-40 german copy, of a french copy of a Stradivarius. BOW - $50 carbon fiber. Strings - Dominants with E Pirastro Gold string.


Thanks Fiddlerman and damfino for your advices.
I will ditch the tuner soon. I also refuse to use position markers even though 2 teachers have advised me to do so. I mostly rely on matching intervals of jazz standards e.g. Over the Rainbow's Octave, Isn't She Lovely's Minor 2nd, Georgia's Minor 3rd etc.
So to answer this topic's question, when i play jazz standards, I also think about intervals and attempt to remember the sounds.
I recently read about the use of drone tone, but personally don't find it enjoyable as compared to using intervals. I would like to hear of how others learn to improve intonation.
My other attempt to train my ear is to figure out the tunes by ear and rely lesser on reading fakebook.
I have been playing chord-melody pieces on guitar for years. But only with violin that my ear is put to the test.
fulfillingsoul, my advice, as a fellow beginner, would be to put away the tuner, and really let your ears and fingers do the work. Get rid of the crutch as early on as you can. It's hard to train your ear when you're training your eyes to watch a tuner (or finger markers). I'm sure you know what the notes should sound like, and will surprise yourself
Hey fulfillingsoul,
I think that intonation is something that we work with forever, always striving for improvement. More accurate notes come progressively until the intonation is not that noticeable to you and you'll stop using your tuner. I think it's rare that one practices intonation with a tuner though. Have you tried doing the same thing without the tuner? My guess is that you'll still be able to adjust.I don't know if this is helpful to you but check it out:
https://fiddlerman.com/tutorials/blues/I downloaded a jazz standards fakebook online, I'm sure I can find the link if you like. Requires reading skills though.
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
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