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Bwlch Llanberis and Michael Turner's Waltzes
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Wasnt really planning on putting anything together to post.  I was about to call it a night and saw my Peter Cooper English fiddle tune book.  picked it up and one thing led to another and here we are.  Im not really familiar with either tune other than whats on the page.  Really like Michael Turners.. 

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@ABitRusty -

WOW, I'm really glad I popped in! 

BOTH tunes sound wonderful!  Your guitar accompaniment is lovely, too!

...I haven't played them (yet 😉), but I like the interval jumps - seem fun. 

Thank You for sharing your playing of these tunes! 

 

The name 'Bwlch Llanberis' struck me as Welsh (I've finally seen enough Welsh, Irish, Scottish & Shetland in print to make a good guess) so I looked it up - and yes, it's a mountain pass in North Wales.  Looks like the tune comes from Welsh Harp tradition (trad tune archive).   

Pete Cooper has a great collection of Fiddle tune books! 

...tell be more about the fabulous path with the red door (and all the other intriguing images).  

Happy New Year! 

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Great job on that;) not familiar with the tune, but i have been to llanberris its a pass between hills in wales , there is an old abbey there called valle crucis.

When I was a kid we went to North wales every year for holidays, there are virtually no Welsh peoplle there though, they are all scousers. Except in caernarvon.

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@ABitRusty Thanks for that!

Your second tune, how is it called?

It immediately reminded me of this sequence from the movie Emma (Jane Austen's character).
I immensely like the music of the dance scenes from the adaptations of Austen's books… planned to learn them -by ear- at some point (as I have no idea of the tune names).

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@ABitRusty You have done it again. Your playing is so light and airy! I love the bowing you do. It sounds like it is so easy, but I know differently. A butterfly flitting around has great music to "flit" to when you play! 

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@elcbk ..Peter has some nice books.  I think i bought this one when mouse was talking about a tune she liked.   So...the red door is from ROCK CITY ..touristy kinda place with some great views and walkways.   im sure everyone around the eastern U.S. has seen a sign or probably visited.  lol.   I just grabbed some photos that looked like they matched the spelling on the video title 🙂

Thank you stringy!  Wales looks like a place to visit for sure.   Pretty countryside.

wtw thank you!   the 2nd tune is Michael Turner's !   hey..thats a very stately scene... Now you have to understand that you wont be finding any of that echoing from the fiddle cave.  🤣😁  BUT.. i think that movie scene is a great version.  Its a beautiful tune and fairly simple on paper which is on page 32 of THIS book by Peter Cooper.  Thats what me and Emily were discussing.  Its fulle of these type tunes. .  Do you know who the muscians are in that scene by any chance?

Here is a small writeup on the tune from Peters website..

"Bwlch Llanberis
Waltz in D. The title refers to the ‘Llanberis Pass’ in Snowdonia, north Wales. I learned it in the late 1970s from Tommy Jenkins, of  Swansea-based band ‘Cromlech’. It can also be found in a fine collection called ‘Blodau’r Grug, 100 Popular Welsh Folk Dance Tunes’ (Welsh Folk Dance Society).

Michael Turner’s Waltz
Waltz in G.  Michael Turner (1796-1885) of Warnham, Sussex, was a fiddler, shoemaker, parish clerk and sexton. As well as playing for dances, he led the Warnham church band, until 1847, when the it was replaced by an organ, and the rood-loft, facing the congregation, taken out - a common tale of the time. The tune appears as ‘Untitled Waltz’ in A Sussex Tune Book, edited by Anne Loughran and Vic Gammon, and was, in fact, composed in 1788, as Paul Davenport pointed out in 2003 in English Dance and Song magazineby none other than Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (KV 536, No. 2, ‘Six German Dances’). In America, it became used for a hymn, ‘When He Cometh’. Both the ‘American hymn’ and ‘English waltz’ versions can be heard on Dave Arthur’s CD, Return Journey, Wild Goose WGS 313, with Pete Cooper, fiddle. "

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Thank you mouse!  we must have been posting about the same time!  hehe

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@ABitRusty -

Rock City looks like a great place to get inspired! 

🤔... thanks for the info on 'Michael Turner's' - says a lot.  From Wikipedia: during Mozart's time, 'German Dance' was a generic term for 'Ländler' - folk dance in 3/4 time, but the emphasis/rhythm is a little different than a 'waltz' (Ländler rhythm).  Not saying it has to be interpreted that way, but could be.  

I like it! 

 

Rats... looks like I only have Pete's Eastern European Fiddle Tunes (or I just misplaced the other book 🥴).  I know there are settings for most of the English tunes on The Session, but doesn't mean they are 'the' setting from the book.  

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Thanks - sorry, I hadn't understood that Michael Turner's was the name of the tune. I'm bookmarking this, might want to get Peter Cooper's book at some point.

But no, I don't know the names of the musicians playing in the film.

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ELCBK said

🤔... thanks for the info on 'Michael Turner's' - says a lot.  From Wikipedia: during Mozart's time, 'German Dance' was a generic term for 'Ländler' - folk dance in 3/4 time, but the emphasis/rhythm is a little different than a 'waltz' (Ländler rhythm).  Not saying it has to be interpreted that way, but could be.  

I like it! 

 

Rats... looks like I only have Pete's Eastern European Fiddle Tunes (or I just misplaced the other book 🥴).  I know there are settings for most of the English tunes on The Session, but doesn't mean they are 'the' setting from the book.  

  

Not sure about how it technically should be played.  I searched this morning to see how bad off i was and think im close to THIS which makes me happy.  I know theres some room for my improvement as usual hehe 🙂.

im gonna spend some more time in the book.  lots to explore.  there arent any english fiddle type groups here so ill have to rely on written music and then cross referencing on youtube for examples.

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wtw said
Thanks - sorry, I hadn't understood that Michael Turner's was the name of the tune. I'm bookmarking this, might want to get Peter Cooper's book at some point.

But no, I don't know the names of the musicians playing in the film.

  

i went back and started some searching by using the movie soundtrack credits and have some names but havent went further to see who is who.

thanks for the link..actually learned a bit from exploring that!

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ABitRusty

Really good, as usual, nice airy bounce to you playing

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Very nice! I have had too many nights that went that way - "Oh, time to turn in. Well, let's just take a look at this quick..."

But well done and nice accompaniment. 

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thank you Mark and Sasha ! 

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