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Ok week 6 is out, it was a slow week for me but I managed some progress I think. Baby steps! I'm trying to modify my bow hold, having fun with an eraser, found the trick for the 4th finger and playing 2 short songs. violin_girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....nvwxPYIBjM

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May 16, 2012 - 5:55 pm

I like your left hand grip. I tried it for myself and it is much better.  The eraser thing I was taught with using a quarter.

 

I can't believe how improved you are at playing.  My wife heard you and comented also on how far you have come.

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Ahhh, so THAT'S the eraser trick. I would have never guessed!

I like the Rubber Dolly song.

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Good going, NV!  Sounding good.

So that is the bow grip you were talking about in chat?  It looks interesting, I'll have to try it.

 

Congrats on sounding good at 6 weeks!

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Kevin, big eraser for n00bs, quarter for when you're good :) lol, dime for the pros!

Didi I have no idea how good or not the eraser trick is, but it was funny, I dropped it twice and my cats were runnign after it bouncing.

Yes that's the russian bow hold, kinda, I'm not sure how good I have it, but it's very stable for a beginner lol.

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Hey NV! Yet another entertaining and informative post.
Keep 'em coming Lass

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Another well done video, NV! I'm going to try both the bow hold and the eraser trick. Excellent progress in Week 6!

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Nice.  You seem to be progressing very well.  The eraser trick is interesting.  Unfortunately I didn;t have an eraser handy so I tried doing it with a flash  drive but it was too slippery. smile 

 

Keep up the great work. You are sounding great.  i hope to share a sample of some of my playing soon.  If I can;t do a video I'll put up a sound file.

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May 17, 2012 - 7:08 am

Fast progress! Love your left hand! banana

Never thought that i have the russian bow hold too (who could thinkduncecaprofl). Thanks for explanation. And for eraser excercise - funny. =)

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Crazy, use a webcam, easy and simple for this. Ok quality is not real good but it's fool proof (something I need lol). I tried recording in HD but yesterday it caused a small delay between my voice and the image so I picked a lower resolution and problem solved!

So far so good for my personal progression. I must admit that often I'm grinding my teeth and tell myself it would be so much easier with a teacher, but that will come eventually when I get a job lol (I'm so slow for my accounting studies). I have a bazillion questions when I practice and too shy to go back to my university and grab a violin student for a chat.

So today, D majoy key and starting s-l-o-w-l-y on the first Studies of Franz Wohlfahrt (Wolf fart? rofl whut?). I'm hoping practicing studies will improve my dexterity, intonation and 4th finger use. I guess I had fun for my first 6 weeks exploring the violin now I would like to dive a bit into more serious stuff that can really help me improve myself.

Usually at this time I would have quit for any activity I started lol, knitting, gardening, piano, Pilates (actually I quit after 2 weeks on that), jogging, you name it! For violin I strangely want more, I'm enjoying violin tremendously and I know in my guts I finally found the perfect activity for me after all those years! I don't care if it takes years before I can make a nice sound, as long as I see a little bit of improvement every month I'll be satisfied.

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Well done! You do so well in these videos Noir Velours. Keep up the fantastic work.

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Thanks Fifi, I should stop changing songs every week though, while learning 3 new songs per week is fun it's not making me learn how to play them well! I should pick one and stick with it for a couple weeks to really learn it! But so far I have not found one I really like to do that.

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Another fun video NV.

I often suggest the position of having the thumb back on several of my videos.

The bow hold
Jascha Heifetz did use a Russian bowgrip as you say but most big name soloists use the franco-belgian/Galamian. Itzakh Perlman, Anne-Sophie Mutter, and Hilary Hahn and many others. In my opinion you can get a much bigger sound using your arm weight to produce volume instead of bow speed. Also, I find it real hard to play at the frog with the Russian bow hold. Try it and you'll understand, your wrist will have to be real bent.
I believe that much of your new bow hold comfort comes from finally keeping your fingers together as I impose strongly to everyone. Also, your pinky is shorter which may account for your index finger feeling better making contact that high up.

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You are right for the thumb Pierre! I was using the pictures from my method books for the position of the left hand and kinda skip those tutorials like notes on G string etc. yell I should have paid more attention but then I just started using 4th finger in my methods so it was not a concern in the past weeks!

I tried your playing at the frog, not easy the bow is like too long lol so I kept the russian grip but higher on the bow! Wow suddenly a perfect fit! I'm starting to think I need a shorter bow lol.

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HEY HEY NV! I can definately tell a difference in your playing. Good eraser movement. Keep the videos coming.dancingbananadancingbananacheerleadercheerleader

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I think, You right, NV, about playing a piece for a little longer. But since You are very good at learning, pick several of that You really like to play - it helps to concentrate on different techniques. Try to choose the different songs either - for example one "fiddle tune" and the other one clssic.. Just a suggestion. That's how my teacher teaches me =)

BTW.. Does anybody have problems with "eraser excercise" while playing on G string? It doesn't stay on my hand. Is it ok, or i'm doing wrong?duncecap

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Falls off my hand at the tip of the bow but at the frog it stays on.

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Mad, about the 2 different tunes, it's what I have been doing so far. Like in this video the old grey goose was the folk song and scherzando the classical. This week I'm on a Gavotte but also a fiddle tune. I was doing it because I wanted more variety.

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Your vids are just too much fun to watch....you should have your own talk show.....thanks for sharing your knowledge and talent.....drummer

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It's not my knowledge Joe, just tips and tricks I find here and there, mostly stuff I don't want to forget or that I am trying and wanna share lol.

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