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Heard this played by a fiddler in Liverpool the other day, I used to play this one but this is a different and I think better version, so I stole it lol

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@stringy -

LOVE IT! 

That's the Ador version I know from The Session. 

Thank you for sharing it!

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Thanks for the thumbs up Emily, I didnt know it was on the session,  well I knew it was on there but didnt know this version was, will have to take a look at that one.

I heard this bloke play it and thought it was loads better than the way I did it so I changed mine to match :)

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stringy

Good version,  well played. 

Mark

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nice playing @stringy.   That sounds a whole lot like lilting banshee.  multiple titles for most tunes aint they?

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Hadnt even noticed that greg, had a listen on you tube , they are very similar no doubt about it, think the main difference is the notes that they start on,  banshee starts on low e and this one starts on high e,, also in the a part the tenpenny bit goes to f sharp and g,  in the banshee it does the same but in the b part, doesnt make much difference though, still think its a better version than I originally learned. On the session where I just looked it has them down as two different tunes altogether, mind you there are multiple ways of playing either one of them, good point though.

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Thanks for taking a look Mark much appreciated :)

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You were bang on Emily, double jig in  A Dorian, you have a good ear, no mistake:)

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Oh yes different ..just wasnt sure if based on same melody.  you know how alot of them are so similar it becomes dangerous to set them together..lol. can be funny how recall works once Im in the middle of playing them.. like.. wait..thats not that one..oh no.. 🙂

sry..no meaning to your post or anything about playing...im just blabbing about tunes. enjoying the discussion and post.

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No prob I enjoy the banter, lots of tunes are very, very similar no doubt about that at all. I have  noticed how tunes grab parts from other tunes as well, I was actually going to start a thead on this very thing, thought it might make an interesting topic,.

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@stringy -

It does annoy me that tunes like "Lilting Banshee" (with 19 aliases!) and THIS "The Tenpenny Bit" have different names when they're in the same key & basically the same melodic pattern. 

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I'd rather think of one as a variation on the other.  ...soooo many tunes around in a similar situation - everything starts sounding too familiar, easy to confuse.  I would definitely consider playing "The Tenpenny Bit" after "Lilting Banshee" (I just happen to like Lilting Banshee best) - it's like extending the tune (to me).  As for the lake full of tunes like this, I think it's good to bring them to the attention of others as we catch them (for this reason).

Yes, there are also tunes with the same 'A' Part, but different 'B' Part - and vise versa.  I've seen where folks have reversed the 'A' & 'B' parts, too.   

Another thing that bothers me - tunes that have different names, but they are exactly the same, just in different keys. 

Third, willy-nilly using the SAME NAME for a bunch of completely different tunes, like "The Tenpenny Bit" (aka. The Little Drummers), "Ten Penny Bit" (Father O'Flynn), "The Tenpenny Bit" (aka. The Gallant Tipperary Boys) & "The Tenpenny Piece" (at least this is a slip jig)! 

All this is why I can't remember names of tunes. 🥴 ...well besides the tunes in Welsh, Irish & Scottish Gaelic (hard to remember when I can't pronounce them). 

 

If you decide to pursue this in a different thread, I'll remove my comments - I don't want to detract from your sharing a tune!

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I think one of the reasons a lot of tunes are more or less the same, and the reason why they have different names is to do with Ireland itself. At one time most people never travelled more than 5 miles from the place they lived in their entire lives, and when they did and took a tune with them, it would be played and altered, and maybe given a different name when the original name was forgotten. I touched on this a long time ago when I mentioned that there was no correct way to play any Irish tune, as you could hear something like the Banshee in one place and if you went to another town the tune would be changed. You also got the thing hapening like I did were a tune would be altered as it was being played because the musician thought it sounded better, someone else would hear it and then play it as he had heard it, then add a bit himself and before you know it you have a new tune. I even do it myself adding ornaments were I like them, fergal scahill does it a lot. If you listen to his version of captain O Kaine it doesnt sound much like other recordings, but is brilliant because of his playing and ornaments.

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Liked that, @stringy.

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Thanks mouse, its a simple tune but deceptively difficult, I think anyway. 

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Very nice Stringy! I really enjoyed that. You've got me wanting to dip my toes in on a bit of Irish fiddle now, though I am not sure my current teacher would be the right one for that.

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Thanks for taking a look Sasha, worth just picking out a tune and having a go,, its great fun.

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@stringy  Nice playing! I was thinking Lilting Banshee, too - but I think I like this TenPenny Bit version that you've played better smile

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They are alike, but are different tunes, bezt way to see it is look at the session, like I saId to greg, there are only a couple of notes different, it may well have started as one tune but as it was played in different areas aquired a new name, iin the pub, and then split into 2 different tunes, only my thought though and could be wrong:)

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yeah I agree ..think theyre different.   What i was asking before is say on Scottsman over the Border..Carraroe share kinda same ties.   and if you look on thesseion i think theyre linked in the list up top on one of them.   I di dnt look on thepenny or lilting and was just wondering if they had it too.  

definately wasnt being OH THATS LILTING.. haha. lol.🙂  

theres one im playing with now called Jacksons Wallop the Spot... and i think its different than wallop the spot..  maybe have a look.  might be a good one!  so even with same name ..different tune which is opposite from the other..  haha.

i think part of the trad thing is TALKING tunes as well as playing. 😉

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I totally agree, I like the history of the tunes and talking about them, its like a cultural history of the people who made the music. 

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