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Mini Group Project: The Ash Grove
Learn to play this traditional Welsh song and join other members in a mini group video project.
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Steve
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I'm still working on it too, every day (the slurred version). I don't seem to be getting much better but I intend to join in too. We'll all do the best we can, ha. And don't forget Barry's song project, same deal for that except there's a guitar jamtrack to play along with.

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uh........I must have missed that one.  When did Barry Post a project??  And is it under Member Run Projects??

Thanks in advance

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Dennis, Barry's project is the next one below Diane's Ash Grove project on the Member's Own Projects main topic--Fiddlerman's Fiddle Project. It used Angelina Baker for the tune and you have to do a video of it using the guitar backing track. Deadline is end of February so you still have time to start work on that one as well as Diane's Ash Grove project. Good luck!

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Hi guys, great to see so much interest. I'm sitting in the departure lounge of Singapore airport waiting for my 2am flight. I'll be home next week and can't wait to start on these new projects. I haven't touched an instrument for 2 months. I'll probably have to start learning all over again.
For those worried about slurs etc, don't. It's supposed to be a kind of jam session, more experienced players will probably add some embellishments, and beginners just do their best, as long as the key and timing are correct. Trust me, I've joined a few projects with a pathetic effort, and it all comes together beautifully in the end.

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TerryT said
I have parts 3 and 4 sorted.......

Well I can see this project has gone to hell in a hand basket

 

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ah..what the heck...give em a hand clapclapclapclapclap

 

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Hello.. I am working my way through this but had a question...  I think that there is a minor difference between the sheet music and the midi file... has anyone else noticed this?  There is a rest on the midi file on beat three of the first measure where the music shows a high D?  I assume I'm supposed to play the D and will include that.  (or is something wrong with the player on this computer?)

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I'll check that tomorrow (Saturday), Mt. Fiddler. I've experienced some glitches with MuseScore where it doesn't play notes that are clearly there. Not sure why that happens or how to fix it.

Has it happened to anyone else?

I'm also going to try and fix the slight problem with the click track.

If I can fix one or both, I'll repost it/them.

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I'll keep going and will expect that I can keep the tempo with a metronome at 101

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KindaScratchy said
I'll check that tomorrow (Saturday), Mt. Fiddler. I've experienced some glitches with MuseScore where it doesn't play notes that are clearly there. Not sure why that happens or how to fix it.

Has it happened to anyone else?

I'm also going to try and fix the slight problem with the click track.

If I can fix one or both, I'll repost it/them.

I didn't check it. I played only with that cute guy on the video in the first post. Only one difference that i've found - he plays A in the 17th measure instead F# (the first note). Well at least it looks like that for me.. =)

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Mt. Fiddler said
Hello.. I am working my way through this but had a question...  I think that there is a minor difference between the sheet music and the midi file... has anyone else noticed this?  There is a rest on the midi file on beat three of the first measure where the music shows a high D?  I assume I'm supposed to play the D and will include that.  (or is something wrong with the player on this computer?)

Mt. Fiddlerbagpipes-1254

Hmmm. I've played the click track and the MuseScore files over and over, and I think what you may be hearing is an artifact related to the "drift" between the midi and the metronome click. That's the problem that I said I needed to fix.

Which means, Mt. Fiddler, that you have a VERY good ear to have picked it up on the fourth beat (counting the pick-up note). I originally didn't notice the synchronization problem until the second half of the song.

I'm going to start from scratch and create a new click track tomorrow and hopefully this problem will go away.

-- Diane

 

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My apologies to anyone who's waiting for a better version of the click track. I intended to fix it over the long weekend, but other things interfered. Now, I'll be heading off to California for the SoCal Jam on Wednesday. I probably won't get to it until I get back, which means it might be a week or so.

I hope folks can just muddle through by practicing with the imperfect version. I'll get the good one posted well before the deadline. At that time, I'll also re-post instructions for sending your video files.

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KindaScratchy said
I hope folks can just muddle through by practicing with the imperfect version. I'll get the good one posted well before the deadline. At that time, I'll also re-post instructions for sending your video files.

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Thanks Diane, I'm sure we'll all need a reminder by then, hopefully everyone who's shown interest will contribute.  

It's not a difficult tune.  My biggest problem is getting it together when the video camera is turned on ... and trying not to look like a wizened prune at the same time.

Plenty of time yet to practise ... and fun!

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OK, I finally got around to fixing the click track. In fact, I figured out a much better and easier way to create one. This time I did it all in MuseScore by creating a click track version of the sheet music with both the melody and descant, as well as a percussion part. I then exported a .wav file and converted it to .mp3 in Audacity. Easy peasy.

I included four lead-in click measures (three beats each, of course) before the pick-up note. The last set of lead-in clicks have a cymbal sound so that you'll know you should be ready to play on the next beat.

I actually created three versions at different tempos. I thought this could not only aid folks in practicing, we can also vote on which one to use for the video.

I'll tally the votes and announce the result one week from today (Wed. Feb. 6), which will be a week and a half before the videos are due.

Here are the new click track files:

When the work's all done and the sun's settin' low,

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For anyone reading this thread for the first time, here are the sheet music and instructions again.

1. Choose one of the parts -- the melody or the descant -- that you'd like to practice and play in the video. You can do both, if you want.

2. Shoot a video yourself playing the part using the click track in ear, using ear buds or headphones so that it's not audible on the recording.

  • Any kind of digital video recording device is fine: video camera, still camera in movie mode, tablet, phone, webcam.
  • Any common video file format will work: .avi, .mov, .wmv, mpeg2. If you edit your video, just don't send the native editing software file. Export it to one of the above formats.

3. Send your file(s) by February 15th using http://www.sprend.com to dbpetit@gmail.com. I will edit them together into one video similar to Fiddlerman's group project.

The sheet music is below. The click tracks are in the post above.

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Thanks for that Diane,

I'm voting for the 101bpm, as I've been practising at 100, and it's certainly doable, even for the likes of me.

I'm hoping to get both parts on video by the deadline, so I don't fail completely in this one.  I have a problem getting my D's to coalesce nicely, at the moment they're clashing on the descant.  Sounds awful.

Once again, thanks for taking this project, I have no idea how to meld the various parts on video, so I should never have opened my mouth, but thanks for saving me from myself.

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I vote for 101 bpm. I thought the original was at 102 which is what I've been practicing at all along.

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OK, two votes so far for the original faster speed. The first click track was 101 bpm. I'm sure of that because my MuseScore file was already set to that tempo when I generated the new click track. Then I changed it to make the other two versions.

In case anyone's wondering why I picked odd tempos like  101 and 91 instead of an even 100 and 90, it's because MuseScore wouldn't let me. It did let me select an even 80 bpm. Go figure.

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Since you're actually counting votes at this point I think the 101 is good to go. :D

 

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I vote 101.

I have a couple of questions now, as I was thinking someone might ask this earlier, but no one has yet... 

I noticed there were no written dynamics, would you like us to play a Mezzoforte the entire piece?

 

Also, what kind of expression should we use? I noticed in the clip the man was playing with staccato at certain areas, and accenting on the places where we would have a doubled "D" or "G" (ie, measures 3, 5.) Or should we just play all notes full value and as written?

 

And finally for the sake of uniformity on video, should the pickup be an upbow? And should there be a bow lift on the end of repeat 1 and a downbow measure 2? (The repeat will place you on the opposite bow stroke  if there is no bow lift/breath mark) 

I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, I just don't want to stick out like a sore thumb when I play!

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OK, let's stick with 101.

Wow, AdverseD, you asked some great questions that I never considered and feel unqualified to answer.

I've got the score in MuseScore and, technically, could add dynamics but I'd only be guessing at what the right dynamics should be.

If anyone else wants to weigh in, I'll add some dynamics. Or, I can share the MuseScore file if someone wants to modify it.

Otherwise, I'd say, let's keep it informal and jam-like and just play they way you think it should be played and/or are capable of playing it.

As for bow direction, I probably won't be able to do a split screen on the video, so I don't think it will be noticeable if anyone is off.

When the work's all done and the sun's settin' low,

I pull out my fiddle and I rosin up the bow.

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