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@LyleA , it looks real good! you're very talented with a camera. :D

Skype: augustoad Email: [email protected] Phone number/whatsapp: +55 42 9861-4084. I'd be happy to talk anything fiddle-related to anyone! :)

 

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@augustoad :)

I have to say, it's much easier to learn how to take pictures then to play a violin... 

Never mind maneuvers, just go straight at them.

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ROFL LyleA
It takes a special talent and great knowledge to take great pictures as well.

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but the one who needs the least."

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LyleA said
@mischa91 Yes, I love the finish.  It sounds wonderful too!

the love shows - in the pics you have taken!  

you make me want to upgrade!  maybe when i have some more skills, it's great to know it was a good experience for you, i'll be thinking hard about it in a year or so....

:)

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I had my first lesson with my music teacher last night since receiving the Kreisler.  She was impressed, but she also teaches A LOT of students so she has seen the whole gambit of violins, from low to high and everything in-between, so a good sounding Chinese instrument was not as much of a shock to her as it might be to others.  

She played a quick piece on it, I don't recall the name, a classical piece though, and the Kreisler sounded superb.  In the hands of a good player it REALLY sings.  The G is absolutely beautiful...  

But in the process of tuning it, an interesting conundrum appeared.  I have an app on my iPhone that I use for tuning.  I have checked its accuracy against the Violin Tuner here on the Fiddlerman site and it seems to be calibrated perfectly.  I tune to 440 at home, checking almost every day when I practice.

When I go to lessons, my teacher usually checks my instrument and makes minor adjustments to the tuning before we begin, all by ear.  I've noticed that after she does, I always have a really hard time with my intonation during my lessons.  This last time I checked her tuning using my app, and it appeared to be universally flat on all the strings, perhaps a quarter of a way between natural notes.  It doesn't translate to much of a finger displacement, but it is enough to cause me problems.

She's a professional violinist, plays in the State Symphony, and she is an exceptional player.  I have asked her before what the orchestra tunes to and she told me 440.  Is it normally for a pro to be off this much when tuning by ear.  How big is an acceptable margin of error?

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My teacher always tunes a bit higher to avoid interrupting the lessons to adjust violins so when we play, the strings lower themselves to the right tuning. It's enough to make me notice it a bit, since I practice at home with 440 but it doesn't mess too much with my intonation in lessons (only when fingers are lazy XD) 

But I think it's the first time I've heard the other way arounddunno

 
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It's normal for professional players to be off but the important thing is that you guys match and that the fifths are in tune, relatively tuned. :)

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I've noticed my new teacher tunes very sharp, lol by ear of course. I checked again tonight after last nights lesson and my violin was sharper than I would have expected. It is a bit of a put off when playing in the lesson. I can understand not wanting to stop the lesson to retune but my strings stay pretty In tune, it's a bit annoying actually.

Oh and I really like your new violin, I was checking the fiddlerman site and when it comes time for me to upgrade in a year or so I'll be going with the Kreisler, it's beautiful and sound lovely!

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Is she a viola player? 

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tuning!  a complex subject!  what i have read is most tune A to 441, from there by ear to perfect fifths of the E, D and G.  There are differing opinions on exact frequencies if you use a tuner to tune the other strings...  me i don't care for tuners.  i tune to A with benefit of A cello drone, then by ear the other three, to what sounds like a perfect fifth.  i understand sometimes if you are playing with a piano, you may tune differently, as pianos are tuned in equal temperament. not the same thing.

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Hey

LyleA said
I had my first lesson with my music teacher last night since receiving the Kreisler.  She was impressed, but she also teaches A LOT of students so she has seen the whole gambit of violins, from low to high and everything in-between, so a good sounding Chinese instrument was not as much of a shock to her as it might be to others.  

She played a quick piece on it, I don't recall the name, a classical piece though, and the Kreisler sounded superb.  In the hands of a good player it REALLY sings.  The G is absolutely beautiful...  

But in the process of tuning it, an interesting conundrum appeared.  I have an app on my iPhone that I use for tuning.  I have checked its accuracy against the Violin Tuner here on the Fiddlerman site and it seems to be calibrated perfectly.  I tune to 440 at home, checking almost every day when I practice.

When I go to lessons, my teacher usually checks my instrument and makes minor adjustments to the tuning before we begin, all by ear.  I've noticed that after she does, I always have a really hard time with my intonation during my lessons.  This last time I checked her tuning using my app, and it appeared to be universally flat on all the strings, perhaps a quarter of a way between natural notes.  It doesn't translate to much of a finger displacement, but it is enough to cause me problems.

She's a professional violinist, plays in the State Symphony, and she is an exceptional player.  I have asked her before what the orchestra tunes to and she told me 440.  Is it normally for a pro to be off this much when tuning by ear.  How big is an acceptable margin of error?

Hey, Lyle. What app do you use for tuning your violin? I haven't found any that are that perfect.

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Thanks for the input, all.

@Uzi  No she plays the violin.

@mischa91  If you get a Kreisler, I'm sure you'll love it!

@fatcobra27 If you search in the App Store it is called "Tactson Tuner Master".  I don't remember if I paid for it or not...

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I use the electronic tuners as well but have also been starting with a 440 tuning fork. I start with the fork and tune as best as my ears allow (it's got to be a learning curve thing as I find myself getting better) then use the electronics to see how close I come. I'll also use the fork to see how close the electronics are. Play FM intonation game... 

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LyleA said
Thanks for the input, all.

@Uzi  No she plays the violin.

@mischa91  If you get a Kreisler, I'm sure you'll love it!

@fatcobra27 If you search in the App Store it is called "Tactson Tuner Master".  I don't remember if I paid for it or not...

@LyleA, heh.  Actually that was a joke as in:

Did you hear about the violist who played in tune? Neither did I.

How is lightning like a violist's fingers? Neither one strikes in the same place twice.

What's the definition of a minor second? Two violists playing in unison.

What are the tones between semi-tones  called?  Viola tuning.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. ~Herm Albright

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Uzi said

 

@LyleA, heh.  Actually that was a joke as in:

Did you hear about the violist who played in tune? Neither did I.

How is lightning like a violist's fingers? Neither one strikes in the same place twice.

What's the definition of a minor second? Two violists playing in unison.

What are the tones between semi-tones  called?  Viola tuning.

  LOL - not very active on the forum ATM - a bit too busy with the 35 day challenge still - but keeping an eye on posts - love the jokes - always good !  LOL Uzi !

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Uzi said

LyleA said
Thanks for the input, all.

@Uzi  No she plays the violin.

@mischa91  If you get a Kreisler, I'm sure you'll love it!

@fatcobra27 If you search in the App Store it is called "Tactson Tuner Master".  I don't remember if I paid for it or not...

@LyleA, heh.  Actually that was a joke as in:

Did you hear about the violist who played in tune? Neither did I.

How is lightning like a violist's fingers? Neither one strikes in the same place twice.

What's the definition of a minor second? Two violists playing in unison.

What are the tones between semi-tones  called?  Viola tuning.

Well, I feel really smart now, lol.

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