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The YEV-104/105 has a passive (6.3) output. Does anyone have experience with connecting the EV with a Yamaha MG10XU mixer (f.e. channel 3 with gain) to hear the violin via the mixer-output to headphones or studiomonitors? How is the soundquality? Are there audiointerfaces with better soundquality?
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@Mouse and original poster. Sorry to disappoint. I do not have the stated violin or mixer.
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I can't understand why there would be any problem.
The mixing desk should be sound-neutral with low-level high-impedance inputs, each channel with a pre-amp so you can turn the input gain down if you plug in a high-level device, such as an electric guitar.
A lot of people are confused by impedance, when it's the input level that matters.
All devices tend to be high-impedance input, low-impedance output (this is good. Low impedance to high impedance is not a mismatch. The only time you can have a problem is with some crystal mics that are very, very, very high impedance).
Guitar amps are high-level input, so when you plug in a low output mic, it sounds weak. You add in an impedance transformer, and lo and behold, the mic sounds strong. It had nothing to do with impedance - the impedance transformer is also a voltage transformer boosting your mic's low output to levels high enough for a guitar amp.
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@Irv 😱🤯 That is okay, Alf came through. Alf was my next guess. After all, he traveled from another planet. Must have a lot of techy knowledge!
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I studied electronics at university 40 years ago. However, I had forgotten everything until I started getting into arguments on harp forums, then I'd Google stuff and argue and Google stuff and argue. At the same time our uke group's leader is a retired telecomms engineer. He is very hazy about a lot of stuff too, but we worked things out together. Guerrilla Home Recording by Karl Coryat is worth reading, except that he concentrates on back-end stuff and neglects mic placement.
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if it's just going to be you plugged into a computer and playing at home then a budget audio interface may work better for you. if you're playing live or with other band mates then the mixer might be better. as Gordon touched on..consider an external preamp such as a cloudlifter or se electronics dynamite. those are powered from the mixer or audio interface using phantom power and boost the signal from the violin. make sure you consult your manuals and such for how to do all this. I personally like the dynamite from se electronics with a ribbon or dynamic mic. @starise has a violin with a pickup installed. I seem to remember he didn't need a preamp so its probably going to depend on the style of pickup and such. I'm not familiar with your mixer or violin but the concepts apply.
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I have a Focusrite USB preamp and a couple of Shure mics plugged into it. I just about know how to use Audacity, but so seldom that I couldn't advise. The next step would be a virtual mixing desk, but I never pay for software, so I haven't looked at them, on the grounds that I suspect they aren't cheap.
But I gather good old-fashioned mixing desks can be had cheap, since everyone is switching to virtual ones. I suspect maintenance of an old mixing desk may be expensive, though.
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yeah Gordon I don't see the advantage of having a mixer unless you do live performances. Focusrite makes some of the best home audio interfaces out there. I stuck with presonus since its what I started with when I bought a budget on sale for 100.00 bundle a few years back. most of the equipment out there geared for home studio tinkerers is going to all be good and usable and pretty much have the same features.
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With virtual desks there's also the problem of what computer spec do you need? Do you need a good soundcard? I'm pretty sure mine is the worst you can get, and I have no video card, and the machine may be too slow for sound recording.
I found this - I'm going to maybe play with it, but I have been avoiding third-party carriers for a year or two, as everything comes with Trojan Horses nowadays.
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Im not familiar with the virtual mixing desk software but by the description it seems to be along the lines of software called Ozone put out by a company called Izotope. For those that don't know about it and would like a portable all in one sstudio they also make this product. I haven't used it but if was someone that moved around and recorded out a bunch it could be useful. It could also serve to cut the ties to needing a dedicated computer and such.
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Thnx guys for all your answers. I expect that the high impedance-input of the mixer and the passive violin-output will match. Since I have multiple USB mixers in use with a stagepiano and the Tyros that works pretty fine, I do not want to buy an extra audio-interface when it is not necessary. I do not play electric guitar nor do I own one, so I have to take it on a test or listen to the experiences of others. I have to practice the violin at night, so I have to think of my neighbours ....... , and the YSV model with active headphone output are of no good quality for live performances.
I made an appointment with the reseller and Yamaha NL that I can test the configuration(s) by Bax Amsterdam, so that is what I am going to do next month.
Ok, thnx again and greetings from the Netherlands.
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I have to practice the violin at night, so I have to think of my neighbours ....... , and the YSV model with active headphone output are of no good quality for live performances.Ok, thnx again and greetings from the Netherlands.
Hi, Johan,
Introduce yourself on the welcome page.
If you don't have much experience of silent electric violins, they are not silent - you can hear them perfectly well and don't need electrics or headphones to practise with them. And if you still think you are too loud for the neighbours, then practice mutes work on them too.
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Presonus, Focusrite and Motu are all good "prosumer" products. Though they all have higher tier product. I have had all three and right now I use Focusrite. When my Presonus failed I heard good reviews on Focusrite, I seen a deal so I bought one. Clarette is the higher grade more "pro" Focusrite line and is priced accordingly. They are all more than capable for home studio recording. Moving on up to better gear Apollo and RME have very clean high resolution converters. The difference between these and the others is not usually enough to make a huge difference on most material. The main consideration with the more high end is some need thunderbolt connections. Usb 2.0 can often handle the data if the interface is only two channels such as the Apollo usb. More channels means more data needed and probably requires Thunderbolt or a format that allows more data transfer..
Gordon, many Focusrite products have included software mixers. My Scarlett has it.
Interfaces are generally going to give you better sound quality because the circuitry has been designed for recording whereas a hardware mixer is often not designed with the same spec since they are mostly seen as live mixers, Even the ones with a usb output "tacked on".I have a Mackie mixer that is ok in a pinch but always prefer the interface inputs over it when given a choice. Not as good doesn't mean it won't be "good enough" for your purposes if all you seek to do is play and hear yourself playing.You might hear some hiss in the gain staging of the pre amps since that Yamaha mixer isn't particularly high end. You could use the mixer with either headphones or studio monitors. No computer required. Headphones will eliminate the chances of feedback. If you presently own this mixer you have nothing to loose in trying it to see if it suits you.
The Yamaha violins are excellent and some of the very best for electric violin playing. The pickup I bought for my acoustic was not a bad one, though it never gets to the quality in sound I can get playing acoustic violin and probably not as good as the Yamaha.
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Today I got the confirmation from Yamaha NL that de MG10XU will work fine with the violins YEV-104 and -105
In US these violins are 25% cheaper than in the EU. The Fiddlerman-shop answered my pre-order with the remark that they are not allowed by Yamaha to send these violins to me in EU.
Well, since I am in june in US I am planning to buy the violin then there.
Or are there different ways .... ???
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I've already got an EV, but I have bookmarked the 105, as it is a 5-string.
Btw, I tried installing that free mixer software, but it required an ancient version the MS .NET framework, so I couldn't be bothered to continue.
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joko_emm said
Today I got the confirmation from Yamaha NL that de MG10XU will work fine with the violins YEV-104 and -105In US these violins are 25% cheaper than in the EU. The Fiddlerman-shop answered my pre-order with the remark that they are not allowed by Yamaha to send these violins to me in EU.
Well, since I am in june in US I am planning to buy the violin then there.
Or are there different ways .... ???
Yes, this is true. Yamaha protects their merchants by doing this. However, don't you have to pay an import (Duty) tax anyway when you purchase something from the US?
If we sell Yamaha products internationally, Yamaha can revoke our right to sell their products. 🥴
Since you are visiting in June, we would LOVE to see you here. Hope to meet you then!
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I don't think they will be managed but it will pass. This has happened before, though perhaps not to this degree.
Imagine how many people are infected without knowing it. The only ones that get tested are the ones that have serious symptoms, or those who have been exposed to someone who was tested positive. My guess is that only a small percentage of people who actually have or have had COVID-19 have been tested which also means that the death rate is far less than what is currently thought to be.
In order to learn more, we need to be testing far more people.
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