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Greetings to all violin lovers!:)
I know that most of you are from the USA but I hope somebody can help me! I'm a beginner violinist and I live in a flat, where walls are paperthin I bought a beautiful 30 yrs old violin, but even after buying the most expensive sordinos (a heavy metal one and the Artino Practice Mute), I'm really loud, so I can't play confidently whenever I would like. My teacher didn't like the idea of electric violin, but I usually arrive home late, and I think it is better to practice on an electric one, than not practicing at all
So I saw Fiddlerman's review of Cecilio violin, and I really liked it, so I deciced to purchese one. My problem is, that I can't find this brand in Europe, and the tax would be extremely high if I ordered outside of the EU (violin: 130$, shipping: 50$, and the tax is an addittional 60-65$ in my country...). We have the Stagg, MSA, MPM, Harley Benton (these are around 120-180$), and the expensive Yamaha electric violins here... I have found an ad of a used Palatino as well (with plastic case, but without a bow or headphones, 195$): http://aprod.hu/hirdetes/elekt.....be694cc798 .
Do you have any idea which one I should choose? Is Cecilio the best choice even with the high tax prices? Or do you know a Cecilio dealer in UK or other European Union state? I don't want to buy a junk violin, but I don't have money for the Yamahas...
Thank you for your help!

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Thank you for your answer! Unfortunately the nearby violin shops don't offer electric violins (or only one type of Yamaha SV), I have to order online. The Palatino doesn't have hole for the earplug, so I think it might not be a silent violin. I have found a link for the MSA and the HB:
The quality of the videos are not really good, but the Harley Benton seems to be a better one (more expensive, too). I hope this one is as good as the Cecilios I don't think that I will have a high quality, lightweight violin for this price, but I don't want it to be a junk.

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Thank you again for your answer!
I think the HB will be the better choice, since it is not too expensive and seems to be the best choice after all In the EU they sell more typest of it, but I can't figure out the differences.. Maybe design and the secound is made of (more) wood?
Harley Benton HBV 840FR 4/4 Electric Violin - active Shadow NFX Nanoflex pickup system, combined line out / phones thomann out, aux in way, bass, treble, volume. Includes case, bow, rosin, battery, headphones and cable. Weight: 700g.
Harley Benton HBV 990BCF 4/4 Electric Violin, with active pickup-system, basswood-body, plastic-frame, ebony fingerboard, comes with violin-shaped case, thomann carbon-bow, rosin, earphones, 9V battery, cable.
What is the difference between active and passive pickup system? Is one better sounding or more quiet than the other?
Plywood or basswood body is better?











Hi kiwibird,
I've just recently purchased the HBV 870FR - had it for 2 weeks and I'm very happy with it. Once the strings stretched and settled, it rarely needs re-tuning - very stable (as you would expect) - besides it is kept in a fairly unchanging environment anyway. With my acoustic kept in the same conditions, it needs frequent minor re-tuning. I didn't like the original strings - now I don't know if that was due to the strings themselves or possibly the fact that the bow was not fully "rosined-in" - but I did change the E to a D'addario Prelude (and, visibly - the D'Addario E is about the same weight as the fitted HBV A string ! ) The strange "squealing" ( it wasn't a "scraping or scratching" noise - it sometimes sounded like the note - but almost 2 octaves up ) has now gone - but- it may have been the bow settling in as well.
Anyway - that's my own initial feedback on the instrument - this is quite a late follow-up to your post - I assume by now you'll have purchased something anyway ! LOL
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Hey WELCOME @Flying_Doc - and great to have you on the forum ! Thanks for joining in!
It is now close to a year on from my original post - to be honest with you - at the "basic price" of a low-end EV I never did expect over-much from it - but it has without doubt TOTALLY fulfilled my early expectations as a beginning player -and I still play it regularly.
I have (as a player of other instruments, for MANY years and not unfamiliar to the 'physical basis of music') a couple of things to say about it - ( nothing bad in relation to its cost )
(1) the fitted strings are real cheap and like cheese-wire - change them to something better - not necessarily terribly expensive - I think my first change was to D'addario preludes. I have also over time, discovered that the bow that comes with it, and to this day still cannot explain it, "seems to work OK" on the EV, but "is not a good bow on an acoustic" - which may not matter to you. And besides, any EV does not come alive until FX are added - initially I used it "plain" just to work on intonation - nothing else - unlike an acoustic no body resonances, no, or very little, inter-string-resonances -I found it real good ear-training because of that - but that is JUST ME ... so take ALL OF THAT ON ADVISEMENT ! LOL
(2) any "solid body" EV is fundamentally a simple bit of engineering, but at the price, can be put together "cheaply" ( i.e. without attention to detail ). After playing the Harley for a few weeks ( and I was a REAL beginner at that time ) I realised the "buzzing sound" was not ME, but the violin. Listen - for less than 100 Euros, ( 70 bucks USD etc ) who is gonna complain... right ? And with a day or so of patience, the "buzzing sound" ( could have been from many sources ) - i traced down to a "loose, unused and un-soldered pin" on the jack socket and a spot of epoxy-resin fixed it forever ! LOL
But, at that price - to be honest I had not expected perfection, and was perfectly happy to "expect" that I "may have to do something to it" - which I felt I had to ( and that was just my feeling about it )
Hard to say really - these HB instruments are of course indeed "basic" instruments, but to my mind, are "not at all bad" for the price you pay if you are a "practical person" and are happy to do the relatively simple things like mess with strings, change bridge, open the electronics enclosure, explore the instrument, and so on...
.... I guess that's my tuppence-worth ...
Good luck with your adventure into violin / fiddle !!!!!!!
Bill
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Hi,
Thank you for the warm welcome
I know it was almost a year from your original post, so I hoped you had some experience to share. I'm glad I was right in that.
Even though I'm an advanced player, I still think I will buy a HB EV because it's just for fun and it will not replace my acoustic violin.
Actually, I'll mostly use it for a band that I sometimes play in and I'm hoping a HB sounds okay for that.
Thankfully I already have some pretty good spare strings so that should work on the HB.
It's strange that the bow works properly only on the EV, but that's fine because I already have a good bow for my acoustic one.
I have one question though, which type of HB did you buy? The 840 one or the 990 one (or perhaps another type)?
I'm still deciding and the 990 seems much newer but of course this does not nescessarily mean it's better.
In any case, thank you very much for the detailed description!
I think overall you are pleased with it, so that will definitly play a part in my decision to buy one.











... @Flying_Doc - I don't really have a "worthy" video - but here's the HB 870FR playing solo with a little bit of reverb and echo on Auld Lang Syne --
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And yes, one other thing - which to a seasoned player probably should not matter too much - the nut-to-bridge length is close on 1cm longer than the "normal" - so clearly intonation/fingering is *marginally* different. Shouldn't matter too much, just pretend it's a small viola LOLOL.... A year on, it now is simply automatic when I swap between my acoustics and the EV - but thought I would mention it... I find it a joy to play !
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BillyG said
(2) any "solid body" EV is fundamentally a simple bit of engineering, but at the price, can be put together "cheaply" ( i.e. without attention to detail ). After playing the Harley for a few weeks ( and I was a REAL beginner at that time ) I realised the "buzzing sound" was not ME, but the violin. Listen - for less than 100 Euros, ( 70 bucks USD etc ) who is gonna complain... right ? And with a day or so of patience, the "buzzing sound" ( could have been from many sources ) - i traced down to a "loose, unused and un-soldered pin" on the jack socket and a spot of epoxy-resin fixed it forever ! LOL
Just wanted to say THANK YOU BillyG. I was experiencing a buzzing sound on my EV, and thought it was something to do with the tail gut (I had that problem in the past and fixed it) but it wasn't... thanks to your post, I decided to check the electronics, and lo and behold, it was an issue with the battery holder. All good now!











LOL that's well cool @RedViolin - glad to know it helped - and you are most welcome ! I know - it sometimes takes a little bit of investigation. Not everyone's issues are the same of course, but it's always useful to share what you find ! Rock on !
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