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Is it this site where there is a list of players and what strings they use?

I think it says Perlman uses straight Dominants. But who knows where these "facts" come from. Well, sometimes it's interviews, but it's always hard to verify.

No, here's such a site. (Zuckerman, not Perlman) Take it with a pinch of salt.

Although I generalised and said, don't change your strings, obviously if you are using Chinese unbranded strings, then that's a little bit too risky. (in the guitar and ukulele world you can get people playing with nylon strings so bad that we call it fishing line, and sometimes it is literally fishing line, and I'm not talking about fluorocarbon, which can be acoustically excellent).

I thought someone said Fiddlershop strings were like Pirastros but cheaper?

When I began, my teacher said, "Tonicas[edited] or Dominants will do". Then I saw this Shar chart on vcom. I looked through it and eliminated steel and gut and things that cost $100 or more, and quickly ended up with Tonicas[edited] and Dominants.

So I'll reiterate - beginners should choose something at random from the middle of the chart and stick with them. Nothing will sing for you without your learning how to make it sing.

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Fiddlerman strings are advertised as being similar to Dominant.

"Pirastros" could mean a lot of strings. Pirastro is the manufacturer of Tonica strings, which are similar to Dominants but a bit brighter.

If you're referring to Evah Pirazzi, then the string regarded as the "poor man's Evah Pirazzi" is Vision Solo. Not actually cheap at all, but much less expensive than Evah and lasts 3-4 times longer.

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@AndrewH 

Sorry, I meant "Tonicas", not "Pirastros". Yeah, in citing my poor memory, I'm being too conversational for the more formal medium of a forum.

I see that I said "Pirastros" three times. I've edited the 2nd and 3rd as they are sort of informational, but I've left in the first so that your reply retains its sense.

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Peter said
Thank you for the extended insights and information, everyone; I'll leave you all to continue the discussion.

  

Peter are you sure?  Oh boy.......

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Oh, I'm happy with the strings and the help, but it's now become quite a different discussion; I'm just very out of my depth with what is passing now.

Maybe in a few years I'll have an informed opinion about it, but for now I ought to just get on with it. Violin strings are not yet my forte.

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@peter Yes, That is the way with the post threads. They meander around like free motion stipple quilting and you end out with a very unique outcome that was nothing like the blank quilt you started with. Quite fun and interesting, actually. It usually happens after the question answered or the main idea from the original poster was discussed and then alternate ideas start taking off.

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Thanks for that, .@Mouse - life itself is somewhat like that, too for someone as undisciplined as myself. I had a poor-quality practice session tonight, followed by a couple of videos on a YouTube channel suggested on another thread (search Nicola Benedetti), and one of the last things I remember of that was 'Kreuzer 2', and so off I went to find the Kreutzer 42 Etudes (an upgrade of the 40 Etudes...), found that No.2 is renumbered as No. 3 in that edition. I had dismissed Kreutzer as 'too advanced' for me at this time, but found a new friend in that exercise.

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@peter 
I have a Nicola Benedetti CD. Simply LOVELY! I put that CD, a viola CD, I cannot remember the performer’s name (I am so bad with that),  a Yo-Yo Ma CD, and two other string CD’s into my player when I quilt. I love Nicola Benedetti.

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Peter said
...one of the last things I remember of that was 'Kreuzer 2', and so off I went to find the Kreutzer 42 Etudes (an upgrade of the 40 Etudes...), found that No.2 is renumbered as No. 3 in that edition. I had dismissed Kreutzer as 'too advanced' for me at this time, but found a new friend in that exercise. 

Just in case you are confused, #2 is #2 in my edition of 42 (Schirmer), as it is in this edition of 40: -

https://fiddlerman.com/wp-cont.....Violin.pdf

2 is hard for a beginner, as there is a fair amount of shifting in it (fingerings vary).

Don't play the wrong #3!

5 (in Eb) is probably the easiest, but I'd recommend starting on Wohlfahrt instead: -

https://fiddlerman.com/wp-cont.....1_1-30.pdf

https://fiddlerman.com/wp-cont....._30-60.pdf

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Gordon Shumway said
So I'll reiterate - beginners should choose something at random from the middle of the chart and stick with them.  

I didn't mean to imply avoid Fiddlershop strings. If you are a beginner with unbranded Chinese strings on your fiddle, then by all means buy Fiddlershop strings, but my major point was don't blame them for anything you can't do yet. You have to learn to extract music from any instrument. It never comes automatically. Read Amazon reviews - there are people who give kazoos one star because they got nothing by blowing into them!

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I wasn't confused, but your reply brought me much doubt. I think I have a different version of Kreutzer 42: published by Schirmer in 1889, edited and translated by E. Buek, revised by Hermann Schröder. Schröder renumbered the original exercises in this edition as follows:

42   40  Key

1    5    Eb

2    4    C

3    2    C

4    3    C

5    1     C  etc.; ten etudes are renumbered in all.

It doesn't help that Schröder changed the order of the parts of some exercises, swapping the left-hand section for the bowing exercises. However, his explanatory notes are a bonus, and quite helpful.

42/3 (Kreutzer's 2) is indeed busier, all sixteenths, and I haven't arrived at the 15th measure yet where I'm required to shift. I'll repeat from there for now. Yes, 42/1 (Kreutzer's 5) looks a lot gentler on the neophyte, notwithstanding the three flats. I'll try it out later today, when I'm home, and take another look at the Wohlfahrt op.38.

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Sorry, Andrew; here's the IMSLP link for the Kreutzer 42 ed. Schröder:

http://ks.imslp.net/files/imgl.....8score.pdf

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Yeah, Schroeder must have been a bit of a nutter. Or, in putting the usual #5 first, maybe he had half an idea there. In fact he confirms in the intro what we can guess - that he has put them, in his opinion, in order of difficulty.

Don't write 42/3, as Singer's 42 (my Schirmer edition - 1894, 1923) disagrees with Schroeder's 42. You will have to write something like Schr/3. It may look busy in 16ths, but you can and should play it as slowly as you like to begin with.

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Thanks for the clarification on referencing. I am indeed playing it slowly, but the tempo is picking up as the fingering becomes familiar; I'm still a little way off from sight-reading at pace.

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Added: as to how many Etudes Kreutzer wrote, I was reading the Cambridge Companion to the Violin the other night and came across something interesting: originally there were only 40. Numbers 13 and 24 were added later by a French editor. And, confusingly, editions are sometimes called "40 Etudes" even when they contain 42.

Kreutzer wrote a sequel on positions and shifting called "Etudes des diverses positions et démanchés pour violon" but I can't find an opus number for it, nor does it seem to be in IMSLP.

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A trifle recherché, that one.

I found a copy in a library in Brno, Moravia; you'll have to visit this lovely place in person as the item is marked reading-room only:

MKZ Brno

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