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Anyone know if it’s worth looking into something like this?

To me this violin sounds great in the video he has in his description and looks great I’m the pics but the price is pretty high. It’s actually $1500 something with some kind of deal on ebay. They also have great feedback so their instruments seem to be good quality.

i don’t really know how they got this price but I do like the violin.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0.....2936678798

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@BobbyFlay That is a gorgeous instrument. I tend to lean towards the darker colored instruments. I was drawn to them when violin/viola tasting, but, alas the darkest ones that I really liked the looks of the best, were not what I considered the best sounding when the assistant played them, or when I played them. Luckily, my Rudoulf Doetsch violin and viola, lean dark colored.

That said. The violin is really shiny. When I looked clse, it looked like it has a really thick coat of varnish in it. Never noticed that in any other violins. Does it look that way to you? If it does have a thick coat of varnish, will that affect its sound?

I didn’t see a video on the page, but, the sound you hear on the video, most likely won’t be what you will get, that is what has been said. The people pointing it out said the placement of the microphone, sound tweaking, etc. affects it. But you never know. I don’t know much about it, so I don’t know how accurate rhe sound is represented in a video. I do know the comparison video of Dominant and Fiddlerman strings that Fiddlerman has is very  accurate in sound when I watch it. I have both brands. So maybe the sound is accurate on the video you watched. Just want to mention the sound might be off on the video as something to think about.

$1500 plus, actually $1995. LOL oh, duh! Went back and looked, 22% off. 

Sure is a mighty pretty violin! Where is the video you watched? 

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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The nut action looks to be quite high.

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BobbyFlay - Ebay is known to be full of frauds and fakes.  With an antique instrument, you do not know what you are getting.  This ships from outside the U.S., even more of a red flag.  I think that you would be better off with a known and trusted online shop (i.e., Fiddlershop), or go to a local shop so that you can physically see and touch the instrument.  Buyer beware here.  How lucky to you feel today, and are you willing to risk $1500?  Just sayin'.

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would just be scared to spend that kind of money without having a chance to try it.  Being overseas even complicates it more.  Depends if you want to risk $1,500.00 and “roll the dice”!

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It comes with a bow and an old case!

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Gordon Shumway said
It comes with a bow and an old case!  

Hahaha it sure does! Lol

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An old bow might not be good. It also might have those little critters that like the horse hair. Can’t remember the name. Not sure that the old case with the old bow makes it better. I am, in no way, and expert, just thoughts at the top of my head.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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All I can say is beware! You absolutely do not know what you are getting.

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but the one who needs the least."

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So I went ahead and messaged the seller and he said this:

The listed price is much lower than the real value of a this kind of instrument. It is an old master violin. You can see it from the photos. You can also hear the sound and discuss it with a luthier.

Thank you for your interest!

Yes, it is re-varnished and it is ready to be used (tested by musician). That is all i know.

There is no signature but minimum 100 years.
 
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cid said
@BobbyFlay That is a gorgeous instrument. I tend to lean towards the darker colored instruments. I was drawn to them when violin/viola tasting, but, alas the darkest ones that I really liked the looks of the best, were not what I considered the best sounding when the assistant played them, or when I played them. Luckily, my Rudoulf Doetsch violin and viola, lean dark colored.

That said. The violin is really shiny. When I looked clse, it looked like it has a really thick coat of varnish in it. Never noticed that in any other violins. Does it look that way to you? If it does have a thick coat of varnish, will that affect its sound?

I didn’t see a video on the page, but, the sound you hear on the video, most likely won’t be what you will get, that is what has been said. The people pointing it out said the placement of the microphone, sound tweaking, etc. affects it. But you never know. I don’t know much about it, so I don’t know how accurate rhe sound is represented in a video. I do know the comparison video of Dominant and Fiddlerman strings that Fiddlerman has is very  accurate in sound when I watch it. I have both brands. So maybe the sound is accurate on the video you watched. Just want to mention the sound might be off on the video as something to think about.

$1500 plus, actually $1995. LOL oh, duh! Went back and looked, 22% off. 

Sure is a mighty pretty violin! Where is the video you watched?   


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@BobbyFlay That is a gorgeous instrument. I tend to lean towards the darker colored instruments. I was drawn to them when violin/viola tasting, but, alas the darkest ones that I really liked the looks of the best, were not what I considered the best sounding when the assistant played them, or when I played them. Luckily, my Rudoulf Doetsch violin and viola, lean dark colored.

That said. The violin is really shiny. When I looked clse, it looked like it has a really thick coat of varnish in it. Never noticed that in any other violins. Does it look that way to you? If it does have a thick coat of varnish, will that affect its sound?

I didn’t see a video on the page, but, the sound you hear on the video, most likely won’t be what you will get, that is what has been said. The people pointing it out said the placement of the microphone, sound tweaking, etc. affects it. But you never know. I don’t know much about it, so I don’t know how accurate rhe sound is represented in a video. I do know the comparison video of Dominant and Fiddlerman strings that Fiddlerman has is very  accurate in sound when I watch it. I have both brands. So maybe the sound is accurate on the video you watched. Just want to mention the sound might be off on the video as something to think about.

$1500 plus, actually $1995. LOL oh, duh! Went back and looked, 22% off. 

Sure is a mighty pretty violin! Where is the video you watched?   

Hey cid,

Its been revarnished so that’s probably why it’s  so shiny! Lol which I’m assuming isn’t a great thing.

The video is in the description of the ebay listing.

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Like the color, but not sure I would not risk it. I have no guts. But, that is me. I am not much of a risk taker.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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I can't tell you what to do, obviously, and I will admit upfront that I don't trust ebay sellers, but I'm not impressed just looking at it, at least not impressed enough for $1500. A thick shiny revarnish job and it looks like even the fingerboard is painted (and even the tailpiece and chin rest look like they have a thick coat of paint?). I'd have to try the fiddle in person and really be in love with the sound of it for that price. 

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I agree it does look kind of like a sloppy job with the possibly painted chin rest, tailpiece, and fingerboard.

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hello @BobbyFlay, you've really piqued my curiosity with your recent posts.

Two months ago you were considering a DZ Strad but then ordered a Fiddlerman Soloist. Last week you were having snapping E-string problems on a MJZ909 you had just gotten and, this week, tarnish problems on the chinrest feet of the same 909. Now you're looking at this new online option.

So, out of curiosity, are you collecting or have you just had these violins on trial and are still looking for one that suits you? I second everyone's cautionary advice. Big fan of being able to play the instruments myself... at minimum, reputable dealer with convenient in-home-trial.

What kind of music do you play? 

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bocaholly said
hello @BobbyFlay, you've really piqued my curiosity with your recent posts.

Two months ago you were considering a DZ Strad but then ordered a Fiddlerman Soloist. Last week you were having snapping E-string problems on a MJZ909 you had just gotten and, this week, tarnish problems on the chinrest feet of the same 909. Now you're looking at this new online option.

So, out of curiosity, are you collecting or have you just had these violins on trial and are still looking for one that suits you? I second everyone's cautionary advice. Big fan of being able to play the instruments myself... at minimum, reputable dealer with convenient in-home-trial.

What kind of music do you play?   

I'm just starting out with the violin actually. I'm just a little addicted at the moment.

I haven't been trialing anything just purchasing.

I wanted to have an old violin just to have one and to see how they sound.

I do have to say the MJZ sounds pretty good though so who knows it might be the one to keep forever.

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BobbyFlay said

I'm just starting out with the violin actually. I'm just a little addicted at the moment.

Nice kind of addiction to have 🙂

I keep writing and erasing my next sentence because it keeps coming out all preachy... I guess you saw the recent thread where BillyG, Irv and Gordon are discussing the less swag - more practice idea. That. 

Although I'm awful at practicing what I preach, they make an important point. It's not getting more stuff that's going to make our bowing sound good (says she of the 5 shoulder rests, 6 chinrests, 4 bows and 3 violins.) 

But since I suspect, like me, you're enjoying the hunt... stretch out the pleasure. Your bowing will get better along the way and you'll be in a better position to know you've found the right old timer instrument.

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Actually, IMO, getting chinrests and shoulder rests is not frivolous. If you do not have the proper setup, from what I have heard and read, you can do great physical harm, may not affect you at the moment, but will over time. 

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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BobbyFlay said
So I went ahead and messaged the seller and he said this:

The listed price is much lower than the real value of a this kind of instrument. It is an old master violin. You can see it from the photos. You can also hear the sound and discuss it with a luthier.

Thank you for your interest!

Yes, it is re-varnished and it is ready to be used (tested by musician). That is all i know.

I'm sorry but I can't keep quiet.

That reply proves nothing.
Please be careful. Money is precious. You don't know what you are getting. I am 99.9% sure that it's not an antique violin. Even if it is, it doesn't make it good. And "tested by musician", is silly to say. Means even less.

Old violins are not revarnished.

If you feel strongly about making this purchase, make sure that you have a 100% satisfaction guarantee and that a return is not costly. 

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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I do agree again Fiddlerman with your logic. I'm going to pass on this violin seems to be a little strange.

I am finding out that looking for an older violin seems to be very difficult. It just seems very hard to know how people come up with these prices on no name violins or even violins with names. I guess you have to research a lot and get lucky especially if it's online. Searching for a newer violin is a piece of cake compared to an old antique one at least for me anyways.

Thanks everyone for looking out. I am still looking for an older violin if anyone has suggestions in this price range or even where to look.

 

Thanks!

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