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Just printed it off. Going to try it later.
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Fiddlerman said
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I just started writing the quartet version for O Come, O Come, Emmanuel.That's not to say that we'll do that one but I got a sudden urge. LOL
Didn't work much on it but here is the first rough draft without dynamics or bowings. Not sure about this key but the version I was listening to was in D minor, so that is what I did. We can choose any key in the end.
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So glad to see that you’ve started this and gotten the ball rolling so early! I’m onboard for O Come, O Come, Emmanuel.
Can’t wait to get started on this. While you were away, your Fiddlershop staff helped me (in person) select a spectacular new violin. (Yes, it’s a Violin. Too fine to call it a fiddle.) Can’t wait to play this soulful, resonant instrument for this year’s Christmas project.
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I just finished going back and forth between the two versions. Neither is hard to play. They each just have one flat or one sharp. The first version, original D minor, is a tad easier. I always want to make the E minor version sound lower, like the D minor when playing the E minor version. I think it is because the D minor sounds better, at least violin 1 sounds better.
I really like the lower more solemn mysterious sounding D minor, which is probably why it sounds better. I, personally, am not fond of the E minor with the F#.
Just my thoughts, and I usually dodge anything with flats, and go for anything with F#.
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I actually prefer the E-Minor, but either version is fine.
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It's not a very long tune.
Why not play it twice, do it in both keys... either step it up, or step it down, the 2nd time thru?
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Audios of Dm and Em of current FM version:
Dm:
Em:
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I love that speed. I don't think I would speed it up. Not sure I could play it faster, anyway, I am not sure about doing one key and then the other either. I think maybe go through twice, but not change the key, maybe just the end, or something a little something between each go round, I played these back to back, and to me, it sounded weird, which would be what it would be similar to doing it twice in 2 keys.
I still like the Dm, but either one, I think it is more solemn sounding.
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ELCBK said
It's not a very long tune.Why not play it twice, do it in both keys... either step it up, or step it down, the 2nd time thru?
We will for sure play it with a repeat, but I wouldn't choose both of those keys. If we were to modulate we would do it differently. We would probably modulate up a 5th.
Let's consider modulation as well. Very easy to do.
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We will for sure play it with a repeat, but I wouldn't choose both of those keys. If we were to modulate we would do it differently. We would probably modulate up a 5th.
Let's consider modulation as well. Very easy to do.
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What would the key be modulated from Dm?
What would the key be modulated from Em?
Please, don't clog my non-music theory mind with an explanation of what all this modulation mumbo jumbo is. No video explaining it, which just confuses me.
Just, what would the key of Dm be modulated a,5th and what would Em be modulated a fifth?
Thank you.
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What would the key be modulated from Dm?
What would the key be modulated from Em?
Up a 5th, Am and Bm respectively.
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Thank you.
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Fiddlerman said
ELCBK said
It's not a very long tune.
Why not play it twice, do it in both keys... either step it up, or step it down, the 2nd time thru?
We will for sure play it with a repeat, but I wouldn't choose both of those keys. If we were to modulate we would do it differently. We would probably modulate up a 5th.
Let's consider modulation as well. Very easy to do.
Just to give an idea of what this modulation would sound/look like for those who would like to know
Dm with modulation to Am:
Em with modulation to Bm:
For example purposes, using the FM drafts, I just did a couple notes transition, and then transposed up a 5th (with cello dropping an octave after transition).
So Dm (1 flat) would go up to Am (no sharps or flats)
Em (1 sharp) would go up to Bm (2 sharps)
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I really like the Dm to Am version.
Great work putting that together Sharon. It gives everyone a good idea what it would sound like. Very nice!
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ELCBK said
Feeling a strong preference (maybe because we're staying in minor) that stepping DOWN for the 2nd play thru - sounds better.
Interesting. No offence to Pierre, but I found it a bit of a dreary modal dirge and feel that going down will only make it worse.
...kinda feels if we modulate 'UP', it should be to something slightly more uplifting.
Good point, in light of my above comment. But does that mean you agree with me?
But ignore me - I've only listened to the synthesised version (which perhaps created most of the dreary feel) and haven't yet played it through.
However, I'm disappearing for about 10 days, so I won't get back to you for a while.
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O Come, O Come Emmanuel would be lovely! You’ve got my vote!
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Gordon Shumway said
Interesting. No offence to Pierre, but I found it a bit of a dreary modal dirge and feel that going down will only make it worse.
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if playing another song with it..maybe 2nd tune into something in G or D major. or something like o come all ye faithful..joyful joyful we adore thee.. songs along those lines?
I do like O come Emmanuel!
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ELCBK said
Feeling a strong preference (maybe because we're staying in minor) that stepping DOWN for the 2nd play thru - sounds better.Interesting. No offence to Pierre, but I found it a bit of a dreary modal dirge and feel that going down will only make it worse.
...kinda feels if we modulate 'UP', it should be to something slightly more uplifting.
Good point, in light of my above comment. But does that mean you agree with me?
But ignore me - I've only listened to the synthesised version (which perhaps created most of the dreary feel) and haven't yet played it through.
However, I'm disappearing for about 10 days, so I won't get back to you for a while.
I'm confused. I never mentioned going down. I wrote to modulate up a 5th. Am I missing something? Not understanding you guys? What is it that you want? I didn't get offended but I don't understand.
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@Fiddlerman I think Emily mentioned it in post #35, and maybe a couple posts before that one, too. Then it was mistaken as your suggestion in post #36. It went on from there. I was going to state that you mentioned up, not down, but figured it would just confuse people, and you would figure it out. 🥴
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Fiddlerman said
Gordon Shumway said
ELCBK said
Feeling a strong preference (maybe because we're staying in minor) that stepping DOWN for the 2nd play thru - sounds better.
Interesting. No offence to Pierre, but I found it a bit of a dreary modal dirge and feel that going down will only make it worse.
...kinda feels if we modulate 'UP', it should be to something slightly more uplifting.
Good point, in light of my above comment. But does that mean you agree with me?
But ignore me - I've only listened to the synthesised version (which perhaps created most of the dreary feel) and haven't yet played it through.
However, I'm disappearing for about 10 days, so I won't get back to you for a while.
I'm confused. I never mentioned going down. I wrote to modulate up a 5th. Am I missing something? Not understanding you guys? What is it that you want? I didn't get offended but I don't understand.
Sorry, Pierre, my bad.
I must have skimmed this post and thought it was you who were suggesting modulating down (from Em to Dm)
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