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GregW
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February 24, 2019 - 11:40 pm
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Constructive feedback welcome.  It may be difficult to see bow hold and such.  Its also slow but trying to get the slurs and pulse right and get notes under my fingers.  Wondering about how intonation and such is to you guys.  Thanks.

https://youtu.be/vfTYcuGhRPk

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BillyG
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February 25, 2019 - 11:59 am
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Well done @GregW - it's a nice tune - and often played ( and sung ) slower !

It sounded just fine to me, Greg - you asked for comment on intonation - well - looking and listening back a couple of times I suspect ( only suspect ) fourth finger on the E string is occasionally a tad flat, and on occasion, 3rd finger on also on the A - but - that's just to my ear, take the comment on-board or ignore it - you played it well ! 

(I always find that intonation on slower tunes seems to me to be more significant than minor discrepancies in a 180 bpm jig or whatever where the note is "over" before it registers in my head - on a slower tune, a tad of vibrato (WHAT, on a FIDDLE tune? LOL - why not) -  often can hide, what are quite tiny inaccuracies that many listeners wouldn't even notice anyway!!!! Hahaha ! )

In all other ways, timing, "pulse" etc - well to me it sounded just fine !

But heyyy - what's not to like !  Well done !!!!  And thanks for sharing your progress - hats_off

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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First, love the tune and it sounded marvelous. But, I wpuld suggest, as a newbie myself, play it slower to really get the intonation and slurs. Don’t play it so fats.

I, too, noticed an issue with the fourth finger in the E string. I believe that is quite common. I actually will take this little rubbery penguin I have that fits in the palm of my hand and arrange it in my left palm so that I can exercise my little finger by flexing it into the penquin. Poor penguin. I also try to just play the E string up to the fourth f ger and down to open E again, over and over.

But, really, play it slower for a long time to really get the fingering, slurs and intonation down. It seems like this is a great song to work on those things with. You will be able to hear those slurs better if you slow down, too. I have that problem. I always play too fast.

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yaaaa_gif Nice going, GregW... that pulse is sounding pretty official to me 🙂

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February 25, 2019 - 6:58 pm
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Thanks everyone! I appreciate the feedback.

@BillyG- I need to put the work in on vibrato.  I agree 100% that it sounds great especially in the slower fiddle tunes.  And.. It would add so much to tunes like Inishere, Flatwater Fran, and Ashokan.  Ashokan just screams for it.  I Just haven't put the effort in yet.  Its the big learning task I've been putting off.  Its probably something I should do though, especially with slower tempo being the world I live in drooling.  Either way I'm really going to have to put in a lot more practice time to either get these tunes up tempo or learn vibrato and at the same time get better hitting the right notes!  egad...what a finnicky instrument to decide to play!  I love it though!! Thanks for the reply and input.

@cid- You know the strength/stretching exercises are something I never thought of.  That's a good point!  I'll have to find something like a tennis ball or something.  I couldn't bring myself to use a penguin... too many stanleys there.. (sorry.. hockey humor. just ignore that)  Also..You hit the nail on the head by saying slow down.  I always try and get ahead of myself and also don't just practice scales as much as I should.  I just jump in and start trying to get the speed and let technique fly out the window. Thanks for bringing those points up and listening!

@bocaholly-YES!  I've never been official!  You made my day thank you!

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@GregW The reason I use this little squeezy penguin, I got it free at our state lottery booth at the state fair years ago, is because it is small enough that I can curve my little finger over it, as it would be over the strings, and push down with the fingertip the way it would be on the string. I don’t think a tennis ball would give those little muscles in the the little finger a workout, or any finger since I do it with other fingers, though not as much. The way I do it, gets those specific little muscles, not muscle used to squeeze a ball. You can feel the difference if you try both. I used a foamy ball and switched to the smaller little penguin when I spotted it on a shelf. Hope this makes sense to you.

I, also do what you described. I always have to remind myself to do it slow. The speed comes naturally as you perfect and comes when it is ready. If you are patient, which I am not, you will just work all the pieces slowly until the fingering in all the songs and scales you do are just natural, you will begin playing them faster without even trying. I just wish I could practice what I preach. In those few times I did, that is exactly what happened.

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Cid-  I understand what youre saying about the tennis ball not working.  We have several squeeky toys for the hounds here that will work as you described.  Thanks for clearing that up!  Appreciate that! thanx_gif

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@GregW Now, Greg, keep,in mind. That little finger, all your fingers, have muscles yhay are not used to being “fingered” out for exercising, so don’t go gung ho. Just loke exercising any other muscle, you have to take it easy and in baby steps. Don’t over work it and start with something that is really stiff and takes a lot of pressure. You can damage your little finger muscles. You can strain them. Just like beginning on an elliptical trainer, you start with the lowesr resistance and go slow. Gradually, work your way up. Seriously.

Sounds odd for a finger exercise routine. You have been playing a violin, but that still is not exercising those little finger muscles. It is not strength building specifiaclally. Hope this helps.

Here are some I do when not really doing anything else:

You can sit in the sofa. Put your fingers tip to tip together, while spread out. Push them into each other with resistance. It looks like that gadget ball you see that is spiky and pulls open and pushes tight. Again, watch the reistance, and do not overdo.

Put your hand on a table and do finger pushups using resistance. Your palm goes to the table top, push the finger tip into the table to raise the palm. After you are readym you can do it with a little resistance from your hand. But again, do not get gung ho and macho and resist too much and do too many. Just like any muscle and bone joint, you overdo, you can injure yourself. You can do all fingers at the same time, or a finger at a time.

I do the above two items in the car (not while driving), watching TV, when the penguin is nowhere to be seen. I swear that little penguin waddles around!

I am not a doctor or PT, use common sense and do not overdo and strain those little muscles. I suspect that once the playing improves, you will play more, use the muscles more, and these exercises will not be necessary. I was told about these by a cello instructor. The penguin was my idea. Makes more sense than a ball.

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Sounding good!

 

Mark

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