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@stringy It is in post 263 right below the recording.
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@stringy , @Mouse -
Thank you!
Yes, the pdf (you can print out) is attached in post #263. You should also be able to save the mp3 file.
I'd be thrilled to death if you felt like playing it! 🥰
I had to slow it down to get those Cm areas learned right (found the end of the 'A' Part a bit hard to remember). Been trying to figure out the smoothest way to bow this, while getting the accented staccatos on an UP-BOW, but I can still forget one (or 2) of them. 🥴 ...tied up with a couple Birthdays this week, but I've got it - and YOU WILL GET IT, TOO! 🤗
If you'd like a slowed audio version to learn along with, just let me know... not a problem.
I practiced & worked more on the bowing tonight.
I'd rather NOT have to come off the string on a down-bow (if I can help it), rather have a driving up-bow on beats 1 & 4. This might help, for now...
• It's feeling most natural to me starting with a DOWN-BOW on the pickup note.
• The next 2 notes: SLURRED UP-BOW, using Collé (coming offstring), for the accented staccato (UC).
This is how I'm bowing the pickup + first 4 measures: D/(UC)D(UC)D, (UC)DU-D, (UC)D(UC)D, (UC)DU-D, the next 4 measures DON'T have any collé/staccato...
Let me know what you think.
How To Interpret Staccato
...for anyone following that doesn't know what collé is - Collé Bowstroke Video
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@stringy -
Here's another PDF (you can print out) of Wistful Thinking, with bowing marked, for the articulated areas - how I'm playing it, anyway.
(ref slurred up-bow in Post #282 - my OP is #263)
I realize I'm going to receive flack about breaking bowing 'rules' (up-bow on a down beat) for this, but I learned about "the power of the up-driven bow" from Alasdair Fraser's workshops - so, I practice dynamics equally in BOTH bowing directions.
This is ONLY my suggestion (I might change my mind). Play the rest of it with any slurs/bowing you wish.
Also, included a SLOWED-down mp3 version - to start playing along with.
Hope this helps.
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Just downloaded your sheet music, plucked my way through it to get a feel for it, couldn't use my bow because of the time of night and respec for neighbours. Didn't have time yesterday as I went watching 12th night at Shakespeare north.
Have to give a go tomorrow with the different bowing, must admit the A flat keeps throwing me lol, my fingers don't want to do it, I don't think I have ever played anything in C before either good practice, though.
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@stringy -
🤣 Yeah, Cm... took me by surprise, too (I must be a glutten for punishment) - might just be more obvious because of the modulation.
I probably spent way too much time trying to decide which fingers to use for the flats - whether I wanted to feel my hand 'closing up' (squeezing fingers together), or 'opening up' (extending fingers) while playing. Not sure I'm completely settled on one way.
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Ah, thats why I'm being caught out, didnt realise it was C minor, I am a dumbo. Should have been able to tell with the sound which is obviously a minor key,makes it much easier.
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@stringy -
Sorry... 'A' Part: starts in Cmaj, goes to Cm, back to Cmaj, then Cm again (parallel keys). 'B' Part: in Am (relative key).
Don't beat yourself up over it - took me a while to even realize I didn't start in the key I had originally intended!
...don't think I make it very easy for anyone to follow my posts. 🥴
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OMG 😩 I need to resolve something - so I can move on & back to EV.
Pulling this forward, one thing is still nagging at me...
Does anyone hear/feel this in 3/4 time (instead of 6/8)?
Wistful-Thinking-1.mp3 (3 MB)- Wistful-Thinking-1-1.pdf (107 KB)
I was listening to Turlough O'Carolan's "Planxty Hewlet". I see it's usually written as 3/4 time, but I hear 6/8 - unless someone deliberately backs it with an Oom-pah-pah!
I've immersed myself in music that could influence my thoughts on this... so, figured it's VERY possible I'm hearing/feeling this wrong!
I did listen to Wistful Thinking, along with a waltz rhythm loop, then a 6/8 rhythm loop - still think it's in 6/8.
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@ELCBK Now, you know me and my poor knowledge of different musics, but I just listened to it again, no problem because I really do like this, I think I hear it as 6/8. I picture the ladies in their long poofy dresses and fancy fans, with their "gents" dancing around in the castle in a circle, they are not waltzing. They are having a grand ol' time.
I also picture kids dancing and frolicking in a field, with baskets of field flowers they have picked, again, not waltzing. I picture many things when I hear some pieces of music.
Does this help?
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I think the accent is making you hear it as a waltz, bluffing your ears so to speak.
Personally I don't think it matters anyway as its a great tune.
Got you about the keys now:)
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@stringy , @Mouse -
Thank you both - that helps!
Okay, I'm DONE thinking about anything more!
...will work on chords later.
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@ELCBK Yep, you don't want to fall down my tunnel and overthink.
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About "Wistful Thinking" having some Cm in it...
I really don't like to have to think twice because of whatever KEY I'm playing in! 🤨
Jeez, just couldn't believe that I don't played a Cm tune! 🤔... I DO!
Skimmed back thru my blog, in post#205 I complained about "True" (from the 'My Demon' TV series) being in C#m, but last year (in post#116) there's a bit of a discussion about "The Smokey Lum" (Stuart Morison/The Tannahill Weavers) - it's in Cm on a couple albums - AND THAT'S HOW I PLAY IT!
When I learned how to play 'The Smokey Lum', it was ONLY the fast jumping around that concerned me - not what key it was in!
...but, WHY?
Well, maybe it's because having at least a 5-string violin can give more options for fingering accidentals in 1st position, but I think a lot has to do with how often we play accidentals (with each of our fingers) AND where the neighboring intervals fall within the melody! I think it's also why tuning all strings down a half step (or whole) can make playing certain tunes easier to play across the strings, especially if you only have 4 strings.
My point?
Just because I composed "Wistful Thinking" in Cmaj/Cm/Am - DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE EASIEST for playing on Violin! Now, I've gotten used to it, but I haven't tried it in Dmaj/Dm/Bm (which may be the easiest), or maybe Gmaj/Gm/Em, etc...
💖 Please see attachments for a PDF of Wistful Thinking in Dmaj - 'A' Part in Dmaj & Dmin, 'B' Part is in Bm. I haven't tried it yet, but included a reg tempo AND SLOW tempo (half speed) playback, if anyone wants to try THIS version. NO KEY in the Key Signature (I'm still having issues) - but ALL accidentals are right.
🤔... still, I don't think the Dmaj version has quite the impact of the original.
What do I really take away from this?
I don't think any ONE key is the answer to what's 'easiest' for playing on the violin. I do think it depends on the melodic structure of a tune.
AND, even though I spent a lot of extra time strengthening my pinky last year... I don't think I concentrated enough on switching from lower to extended movement, or made it feel as 'naural' as using my other fingers. ...more practice. 😊
This kinda has me wanting to transcribe some tunes I already know into the scales/modes I'm LEAST familiar with. I have actively searched for specific keys in trad Irish & Scottish music, but it's hard to find anything unusual.
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Youre rollin now @elcbk ! love it! keep it up and cant wait to see how this tune evolves or how you add harmony
.etc.. or.. none.. which is fine too..and where this all leads!!
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@ABitRusty -
...kinda concerned about what I might be rollin' into! 😳
The playback of the Dmaj/Dm/Bm version doesn't 'sound' as good (to me), doesn't have quite the same impact, as the Cmaj/Cm/Am original. 😡 ...it's the Dm areas buggin' me - maybe I'm just itching to try a different 'kind' of minor scale.
I'd read that early composers thought that even major scales had different qualities/feeling! I kinda chalked that up to tunings at the time, but maybe I'm missing something.
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I would Play it how YOU like i mean its your tune!!!
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I thought about transposing it lower, into the Viola range (I still might), but happy with the original vs the Dmaj - until I add some harmony.
...nomatter what, it's been a good exercise for me - amongst all the other stuff I play.
I highly recommend everyone create their own tune!
Haven't been able to practice much this last couple weeks - and I seriously hate how it feels. 🤬 It may only be my imagination, but seems like I lose ground if I don't at least run thru some tunes once a day!
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