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Mouse said
When I did take violin lessons, my instructor said she does not help with set up, she is no longer teaching. But, since she was my first connection with an instructor for violin, I figured that was the norm. So, I really do not know how it is to sit, exactly, or how much support the shoulder rest is to give, exactly. These foam pads are not expensive, so it is worth a shot.
She was not a good teacher. The fingerboard should form a stable platform for your LH fingers, and the teacher should help you if you have difficulty achieving that. They'll walk around you and tell you where support seems lacking or if your neck is bent too much.
I just bought an Artino 'Ergo' Shoulder Rest for Violin & Viola and a 90mm Artino gelpad, btw. They should arrive this afternoon, along with two pairs of Vision Titanium strings.
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Mouse said
when I have the finger sitting in the gap between the index finger and thumb, I should not have to grip it? The shoulder rest should be giving it stability?
Shoulder(rest) and chin(rest) combined should hold the instrument steady, allowing freedom of movement of left hand..
Is there much of a curve from shoulder down to chest in the shoulder rest? It looks like a similar curve to the Kun. I have been, but have given up, looking for one more "S" shape, not the Bon Musica. It more or less hooks over the shoulder, I am , or was, looking for lift at the chest.
I bought the Artino Ergo mainly for the viola (but with the possibility of replacing the annoying Bon Musica also in mind) because I had seen one at our last gig, and the distance from the rest to the instrument was only a millimeter or two, which I though might be useful, as I have a short neck.
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I understand the challenges involved in finding a position for the fiddle that is both comfortable and functional.
I got started without a teacher, but I had lots and lots of free advice from books, videos and the internet. I tried all kinds of chin rests, also foam pads and those awful shoulder rests (hate ‘em!). It was a frustrating process, and sometimes painful (neck and shoulder issues).
I saw a Fiddlerman video that showed that it’s possible to play the violin without a shoulder rest. That gave me hope that I could eventually figure out something that would work. I eventually did come up with a solution that is quite functional for me.
The solution did not come from a teacher or from any of the many internet gurus. It was just plenty of trial and error -- trying one thing and another, trusting my own judgment, and keeping faith that a solution would eventually present itself. It did.
I’m sure it will work for you as well.

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Made me laugh when you said the rest kept falling off, I have always had that same problem, I use a wolf forte primo at the moment but have about half a dozen different ones. For quite a while I had the lower leg too high. I still find holding the fiddle a bit of a chore, but not as painful as it used to be, doesnt help that I am by nature a very tense person.
I have had 1 violin lesson and thats it, never had a teacher at all, I used the Applebaum books, and trial and error, I like learning myself, I had never read music, apart from recorder at school, but it helps that my entire family are, or should I say were musical, (you have heard my niece if you remember). Personally I think for the type of music I play, and for my goals which are not to play in orchestras or anything I dont need a teacher.
The weather were I live isnt great, from xmas to a week ago, it never went above 5 degrees c, hopefully very soon though I will be travelling again, and cant wait for the warmth of Europe, first stop this year will be Marseille,, went to nice last year and monte carlo,
Cant beat a sunny day

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I am wondering, when a sheet music says, "quarter note = 96" Does that mean that played as the person who wrote or arranged the piece would have had a metronome at 96, if (s)he was using one? I did set the metronome at 96, after playing at a slower tempo, and it seemed to work, by working up to 96 from a slightly slower tempo.
I would say that every click would be a quarter note. and would try and set the metronome to 96-ish if following a sheet music "quarter note =96" i juat cant remember if the scale has a '96' on it or not. unable to look today
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