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Learning a little Night music
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That sounds really good @stringy . The second video is so much better rhythmically, and congrats for correcting it in just a few days!

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10 months since I had a go at this, remembered it this morning so I tried it out again. I tend to forget a lot of things I am trying to learn, I have found out that this is a simple tune to play but for me very difficult to get any good at because of the technical challenge, playin it, and playing it well are very different things lol but its a great workout.

https://youtu.be/CbSHyxEYO5I?s.....cNm42sZ6pQ

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That was really good. A 10 months hiatus, for me, it would have gone back to day 1. It is sounding really nice. Kudos.

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has it been 10months already..time flies for sure.  Not bad for that amount of time and I would for sure not be able to play!  nuce!

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Thanks  mouse and a bit rusty, time does fly no doubt about it. I will be honest though, I am not really into classical at all, I mess about with it because I think its good to stretch  myself, I much prefer simple fiddle tunes.

You can see what I think of my playing with my face at the end lol

As for playing this, I think you would do a better job of it than me.

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stringy said
 

You can see what I think of my playing with my face at the end lol

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@stringy -

Thanks for sharing this - I enjoyed listening! 

Think it's VERY important to revisit pieces!  It's a great opportunity to try out/apply what we've learned in the interum.  I believe some aspect(s) of our playing (& view of playing) is constantly evolving, so each time we revisit a piece it's with fresh eyes, ears & thoughts. 

While you are working on Mozart's "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik", what do you find the most challenging?

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I think the most important part is the very first note, I can play it 20 times and its perfect, as soon as I go to record I am slightly flat without fail, and that then colourz everything afterwards, I can actually hear all the mistakes as I am playing any tune now, were at one time I would have to listen to the recording to see were I was going wrong, so I suppose thats some kind of progress.

With this one in particular, here is quite a lot of shifting and its very easy to go out, for me anyway, but then again I have never had a teacher to show me anything as is the same for you you it makes things harder. I find the bouncing bow thing hard  dont know what its called, is it 'spicatto', I really am not sure, I will get that in the end though anyway.

I still think the actual tune is easy, but that is like a mirage for how hard it really is, its like a lot of things, I can read and plaY grade 8 pieces fairly easily but playing them to a standard to pass a grade 8 exam is a different matter altogether, I am playing a couple of grade 8 baroque ones at the moment they are a great work out.

I think the most challenging thing though, as with any piece on the violin, is playing in tune. That goes for Irish tunes as well. Fact is I am never going to be a soloist anyway, but each little victory like vibrato gives me great pleasure ;)

Thanks for giving it a listen, I really had forgotten about this one. And I really also appreciate people taking the time to have a look, no matter how painful, like I said above, look at my face at the end to see what I think, at one time I would have recorded it about 20 times before posting , I now only record the once for good or ill :)

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Sometimes stepping away from a piece for a while can help because your mind gets some time to digest it, your technique continues to develop while you're away from it, and you're not bogged down in details when you come back to it.

The intonation is mostly good, and your tone has improved quite a bit even without practicing this piece for a while. The thing that most noticeably needs work is still the rhythm. Many of the dotted notes are being cut short, and your off-beat entrances are often early. I would still recommend practicing in steady repeated 16th notes, as I suggested before. Another thing you can do to get a sense of the timing is to sing your part (maybe with a metronome or a recording?), so that you have a chance to feel the rhythm without thinking about the mechanics of playing.

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Thank you for taking a look Andrew and thanks very much for the advice, it really is much appreciated. 

I intend keeping going with this one and trying out your suggestions they are very sound. And are very good advice, thanks again for taking a look.

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stringy

10 mouths, wow, definitely does not seem that long,

You keep improving, grats.

Thanks for posting 

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I'd suggest shifting to third position on the last note of bar 1.

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Mark, time passes quick when your having fun:)

Gordon thats not a bad idea about the shift, I will gve that a try, by the way thanks for that link with the sheet, I had lost that, and it is indeed the original sheet I was learning from, good to see it again as I was playing from memory, I think looking at the written music looks more complicated than it actually is, as Andrew pointed out my timing isnt great, problem is I am not good playing with a metronome., and with the concentration required just playing it, if I try to play along with someone else I lose it after 2 bars:)

I am in no hurry though. 

Like I mentioned I am playing corrente from baroque book 4, its on page 8 and I actually found a recording on you tube, so thats amusing, I am also doing Gavotta on page 12, and my latest attempt is page 14 allemanda, must say though that one really is tricky and I feel sorry for my neighbours, but as they say, 'I have suffered for my art and now its their turn'.

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This is the way you recommended Gordon, its much better, having to get used to changing the fingering though, and I now have to work on all the timing issues which Andrew said, but I am finally starting to get fairly pleased with it, which for me being happy with anyghing is a miracle. I think leaving this alone for such a long time has worked wonders for it.

https://youtu.be/VKWukD3OWA0?s.....bAVpkaR_oy

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Nearly. Try shifting during the rest so that you play the D at the end of bar 1 with your index finger, and the G at the start of bar 2 with your pinky. Your C's need to come down a little. Try to give it a march feel even though it's night music.

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Thanks for having a look Emily, slow but sure, I have now started to play along with a bloke on you tube, to get the timing right, I only just found out you can slow videos down on there lol, its  great for practice, just shows how thick I am, all these years using it and didnt realise what a great practice tool it is;)

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Oh no! 

Sorry you missed all the recommendations.  Took me a long time to see the 'custom' up in the RH corner of the speed settings. 

I've had to slow difficult tunes down all the way to start learning them - then I speed them up once I know the notes, but slowing them down even a little helps for catching details. 

I've even matched different drum loops to YT videos (to play simultaneously) - by opening 2 windows & adjusting the tempo on each video. 

Well, THIS should be a real game-changer for you! 🤗

I don't think I could've learned ANY music without that YT feature (and the tempo adjustments at The Session)!

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Yes, slowing down and playing to a metronome won't harm.

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