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Old North Umbrian Three-Two Hornpipes
Scottish influence?
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Check out what Liesa Cue & Johannes Just (Just Cue) recorded!  A Three-Two Hornpipe that seems to be North Umbrian in nature - so, technically English, but figured there's a heavy enough implication of Scottish influence for here (unless anyone objects/has a better idea, more info). 

Just Cue - 'A Hornpipe' at Château de Sarzay

Think these are cool Bagpipes Liesa plays & Johannes plays the Hurdy Gurdy - they're from Germany, love old folk music and recorded this in France. 

I believe this tune is actually "Cam Ye O’er Frae France?" and according to Wikipedia, "is a Scots mocking folk song from the time of the Jacobite Revolution in the 18th century" - and includes Scots lyrics WITH GLOSSARY!!! 

Cam Ye O'er Frae France - info

There's another called either "Reed House Rant" or the "Old Lancashire Hornpipe" - it's also a Three-Two and can be found, along with great discussion at thesession.org 

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Very Medieval sounding! 

Timewise, this folk tune might've come from the 1700's 'Baroque Period', but probably earlier. 

- Emily

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"Cam Ye O’er Frae France?" is also known as "The Keys to the Cellar". 

Here, Sammy Wetstein is jamming on his Cello with his looper!

Sammy Wetstein's Day 87 - Keys to the Cellar - 3/2 Hornpipe

@iFIDDLE -

Have you heard this one?  I hope I didn't overlook it here somewhere.

I'm REALLY loving this very decked out version, but I think they've mixed in "The Bunch Of Keys" with it!   

Keys to the Cellar - Corey DiMario, Brittany Haas, Dominick Leslie, Alasdair Fraser, Natalie Haas 

I'm probably going to make a mess out of this, but I went back to listen to the Just Cue recording and I don't believe they played more than 1 tune - and it was NOT "Lancashire Hornpipe" (even though they mistakenly say it is), so I edited the post.

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"Keys To The Cellar" - love this name, cause it just sets my mind wondering what's locked away down there? 🤔 

- Emily

 

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Really like their Tarbolton up front there.. Ive gotta get the langford collector and sailors bonnet first but like those other tunes in this track!  

I like how those two play ANYTHING though.  gonna download a copy from amazon..  great find and thanks for sharing that!  wanting to learn it!

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@iFIDDLE -

Thanks for bringing me back to Earth! 🥴

I've been listening to so many new tunes I'm having a hard time sorting them out - and Alasdair Fraser is never any help. (lol) 

"Tarbolton" is first, then "The Keys to The Cellar" - and "The Bunch of Keys" (or Paddy on the Turnpike) is last. 

So, what is the third tune?  Is sounds awful familiar, but I can't place it! 😔

Ridiculous discussion at thesession.org - about The Bunch of Keys vs. Paddy on the Turnpike.  People getting upset because something might be played in a different key - and maybe there is a bit more to "The Bunch of Keys", but seems like more of a variation... 🤔

Too many names gets confusing for me, on top of playing, but I suppose we have to be able to distinguish between variations somehow - so they need names, too.

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I'm definitely going to have to learn these! 🤗 

- Emily

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@elcbk i didnt recognize any of them other than Tarbolton.. and it seems like they finish that set with a variation of it.  sometimes you can find the set list on thesession.  google the title and click on the recordings of it then scroll till you locate the album.  you may have said that up above already.

Theres a tune thats a crossover to American styles named Paddy on the Turnpike.  I havent tried it except flatpicking from a book a while back.  wouldnt be able to play it on anything now without spending time relearning it.. didnt really commit it to memory before though and no way I could play like he is on this video..lol..heres the American Paddy on Turnpike.  No idea if same tune.  probably... dunno though.

 

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@iFIDDLE -

🤣 Well, we're all encouraged to make tunes our own - guess that's what happens.  That version was definitely made for the banjo... sweet! 

I give up! 

Tarbolton, The Bunch of Keys and Paddy on the Turnpike all have versions on thesession.org that make me believe they're variations of each other. 🤯

🤔  That still leaves that 3rd tune at 2:40 - really bugging me, now. 

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@elcbk sry...no help..never heard it till this recording that i recognize.

Im also not hearing relation of tarbolton ( the ones ive listened to ) to any Paddy Turnpike versions.  maybe its the B part? sorta has that alternating high and lower note..but so many do 

this version seems more like the Paddy Ive heard before.

 

tarbolton for refrence

 

are they listed as same tune somewhere?  Interesting and fun. 😁  like 'em both and gotta learn 'em both!

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@iFIDDLE -

Wow!  You're probably right. 

But, that Paddy on the Turnpike sounds nothing like what I was listening/reading at thesession.org! 

This is probably the best example:

Paddy on The Turnpike - Dr. Dow (3rd)

I was getting a similar feel of the tunes, but after listening to your Tune Project video - I can see why you think I'm a little off my rocker. 

Looked at the Traditional Tune Archive to see if I could get this straight, but instead I found FOUR, distinctly different tunes by the name "Paddy on The Turnpike"! 

Traditional Tune Archive Results

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By now, I could be hearing anything. (lol) 

- Emily

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@elcbk 👍😁  pick one and OWN IT !!!thumbs-up

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@iFIDDLE -

Thanx, for trying to help me with this!

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After going thru all that, I'm steering clear of "Paddy on The Turnpike". 

Resolved to just play "The Bunch of Keys" & "The Keys to The Cellar", but the good thing is I stumbled across some more tunes I like, during all my foolin' around with Paddy!  So, it wasn't a complete waste of my time. (lol) 

Here's is a Three-Two that's usually in a major key & a little too cutesy for me, but I found a better one - I REALLY like. 😊 

Dance To Your Daddy - Tears For Beers

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Stuck in my head already.

...maybe I'll unlock a few more doors. 

- Emily

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