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Learning To Play Faster
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@AndrewH said "...I do think there's such a thing as slowing down too much.."

we do this sometimes in a lesson when she is introducing a tune.  If its one Ive heard before it can be harder than just getting up tempo a little.  She does it to make sure I'm getting the bow directions and the emphasis on the right beats and such so I understand why we do it like that.  In ways it is more difficult those first few times going through it slow.  Usually I'm practicing around 120 on most of the ITM stuff when at home.  which is considered slow but thats my "faster" practice tempo.  Stuff Ive had a while I'm starting to approach 140 but that's getting into the area where it starts sounding like I'm just sawing at the strings even if I'm hitting the notes on beat.

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Same here GregW. There's one thing my teacher has me doing with slow staccato all through it. For some reason it's ways easier for me to play faster staccato. At half tempo it seems double the chore.

For ITM it's those alternate bow strokes. Take a measure in 6/8 with two triplets. That bowing is two down slur, two up slur with the last two notes down/up. I usually play two down , one up or run all three notes either down or up on one bow. Since when playing triplets I think in terms of groups of three. The way suggested seems about the most opposite way one could play it to me. There are no slurs in the notation. It's all added in. Now it seems more like 6 notes played in groups of two.

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I really enjoy having lessons.  Theres so much that the teacher will do that makes it worthwhile for me.  like quizzing when she is showing bowing or slurs for something.. questions like why do you think we would want a slur here or which note of this group should get the emphasis really help me.  At least in understanding her thought process on why she notates slurs or bowings a certain way.  I think it goes with the video in that she is planning ahead for faster tempo and even though it makes it more technical at first it will payoff later when trying to play faster. 

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There's now an excellent thread on v.com on learning fast passages:

https://www.violinist.com/disc.....?page=3955

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AndrewH said
There's now an excellent thread on v.com on learning fast passages:

https://www.violinist.com/disc.....?page=3955

  

Roger got deep in that one didn't he?!  Good link thanks @AndrewH

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Yes (I start with 'yes', because I see the OP is about folk music), the way you speed up depends on the piece and the rhythms. Is it legato or staccato, simple time or a jig or a reel? (I haven't attempted fast jigs and reels yet)

Coincidentally, my teacher and I were looking at 3 octave scales and arpeggios and speeding up on Wednesday. Part of the speeding up of scales and arps involves the rapid position shifting, of course.

In simple time double-(or quadruple-)bowing every note is a good thing to do at full speed, as the left hand moves at slow speed, and the right hand develops its speed independently. Then when the right hand is confident, the left hand can catch up - start quadruple, then go double, then single notes. Will this work on jig and reel rhythms? No idea!

It's always good to have a good teacher. (I mean in general, not me!)

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