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Question about the “You Can Teach Yourself Fiddling Book”
Does anyone have the Kindle version?
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I have the paper version of You Can Teach Yourself Fiddling. It is glue bound, not spiral. I have not used it because of this. It cannot be opened flat. I am going to get it “spiralized”, have not had a chance to take care of that.

I have an iPad Pro that I am going to use for my music. I have been loading some of my cello music, only that which I am currently playing. 

I would like to put this book on it. I would have to create the PDF’s of the pages. I can’t do that until it is spiralized. I see that there is a Kindle version. I also have a $5 coupon for a Kindle book. My question is this.

Most Kindle versions of paper books, do not have matching page breaks, they actually have very odd places where they break pages. I am concerned this is going to be the case with this book. Does anyone here have the Kindle version of this book? Does it page break properly? 

On Amazon, you can get an inside view of the book, but only the paper copy. The Kindle version inside look does not work.

Any information would be greatly appreciated. If not, I will just spiralize it when I bring the other books in.

Thank you.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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I'm hesitant to say but I believe thats a melbay publication.  If you're willing to buy the ebook from their website its in .PDF format.  At least the ones Ive purchased.  I have always been able to Just print that no problem.  May have changed though so please Just double check the FAQ'S on their site about it under FAQ/ ebooks.  It explains.  As far as kindle..I have the android version and I seem to think printing from that to PDF is a process.  

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Kindle really tries to prevent printing, probably because you have not paid for the paper copy. Not sure how it is with the Apple Kindle, app. I have the book version. But I would like to, put it on my iPad Pro in forScore. I don’t feel right making a PDF of the pages, after I get it spiralized because I believe that would be a copyright infringement, plus they would be shadowy because until I get it spiralized, the pages can’t lie flat. But, even so, I don’t think it is right. 

A little while ago I found it on the Mel Bay page. I used the contact us to ask how the page breaking is in the Kindle version. I asked if they duplicate the paper book. I have seen really poor kindle renditions of books. I believe this book was paper first and I suspect the Kindle version is just scanned pages. Many times, they are poorly done, shadowy, and weird paging. If this was created and edited specifically as a Kindle version, that would probably not be the case.

I would rather get it through Amazon in this case because I have a $5 coupon good in a Kindle book. I lose the coupon if it ends out being a very poor Kindle version and return it. 

I bought a craft book in Kindle version. It was terrible. Photos were not even in the order they were supposed to be. If a photo was to be on the page beside the page you were reading, it would be 4 or 5 pages beyond. I know text can be enlarged, etc on Kindles, but the order of the pages in this book were really bad. I had the paper version and much of the paper version was missing in the Kindle, also. I am concerned the text in the fiddle book will not match up properly with the songs.

Thanks, Greg.

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I have the ebook version of You Can Teach Yourself Fiddling which I purchased at Melbay. It came in .pdf format and  I was able to make a copy that would be suitable for putting in spiral format.

Jim

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I do have the print copy. I am going to get that copy spiralized. My question is if the ebook version a good quality ebook. I have purchased novels in ebook and have no problem. Craft, hoppy and recipe books are another story.

For some reason the craft, hobby and recipe books had bad ebook formatting. Some were shadowy like they took the bound book, which does not lay flat, and scanned it with a printer/scanner to a PDF. It was therefore shadowy. Others had an erroneous page sequence. Illustrations referred to, or a continuation of recipe had to be advanced quite a bit to be found.

Now this was a long time ago, but it set me against those types of ebooks. Are the issues above in that ebook or is the flipping of the pages going to be accurate, if the text size is normal? That is the problem with ebooks with these types of books, you can adjust the text size and it changes the paging. It didn’t matter what text size I had selected in the hobby, craft and recipe ebooks I bought years ago. Did they finally address that issue? And, did they create shadowy pages? 

Thanks

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I can't speak to Kindle and ebooks since I don't own a kindle, and I never experienced what you are describing about ebooks when I have viewed them on any of my devices (pc, laptop and tablet), and I have been buying ebooks for years. My reply was just to say that the pdf from Melbay is easily printable with the correct page breaks, and stays the same when viewing it on all of my devices.

Didn't you just buy an iPad Pro for your sheet music? Why not scan (if you have a scanner) your paper copy and put it on your iPad Pro? Or purchase the ebook from Melbay (which comes with audio and video downloads) and install it on you iPad Pro?

Jim

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I don’t think it is legal to scan a print copy and make a PDF. basically making an ebook, due to copyright. I tend to follow copyright. 

I wanted to make sure a song was not going to be split in odd places and actually followed the discussion it was part of in the ebook version before buying it. You would have noticed if that was happening, so it is probably good.

I did manage to find the Mel Bay contact us after posting my question and asked. I have a $5 coupon I can use on Amazon, but if I don’t like the ebook version and need to return it, I lose that coupon. It would be easier to just get the ebook version, with the coupon it is a very low price, but it is a one shot deal with the coupon. I have a little more time before my coupon expires. 

Thank you.

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Well, I guess if you don't want to scan it and load it into your iPad Pro, your only other choices are to buy the digital version and download it into your iPad Pro, or take a chance of buying the Kindle version.

BTW...you mention "if I don’t like the ebook version and need to return it"...You cannot return an ebook. I don't know of anyone who offers refunds on ebooks. (In fact Melbay has you check a box acknowledging that you understand this before you can complete the purchase.)

By it's very nature, once you have purchased an ebook and downloaded it, there is no returning it. It is already on your device. When ebooks first were available, some companies offered "returns" if you signed a "Destruction of Intellectual Property Agreement"...a document stating you agreed to destroy (delete) your copy if you got a refund, but I haven't seen this in quite a few years, since that allows unscrupulous people to ask for a refund and not delete the intellectual property, and the author/company loses out. Once you buy it, it's yours. No refunds.

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I have returned Kindle Books. Which are ebooks, I purchase through Amazon. They remove it from the device downloads. And it is is also removed from my device. It was back when I purchased my Kindle. I bought the original Kindle, the one I still use. I wouldn’t be buying this through Mel Bay’s site. I would be buying it through Amazon with my coupon and have it go to my pro. But, I have returned them. 

Oh, I just thought of something I can check. Now, you usually get a sample download and then decide if you want to purchase. I am going to check and see if I can get a sample sample of this. I forgot about that. I only checked to see if it has a Kindle version. I really have not purchased a Kindle or ebook in a while. I stocked up a few years ago for reading on our cross country jaunts back and forth to Vegas and back. Scenery was too beautiful to read them, though.

Thanks for the replies, @MoonShadows, it brought the sample to mind, and if you have no trouble with the formatting in yours, the Kindle will be the same, it is pretty much just the same, mostly. Probably will just go ahead and get it. Not sure when I will be able to get to Staples to get my bound copy spiralized so I can actually open it and keep the pages open.

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Since I don't have a Kindle, I didn't know that. I guess the ebook does not reside in the Kindle device but on the cloud, so that can be done, and you no longer have access to it.

If it goes to your iPad Pro, it is not a download? I also don't have an iPad...just a PC, laptop and tablet. I guess I don't understand how Kindles and iPads work...just that the three I have, it would be a download and the files would reside on my device. Then, they are not "returnable".

Yes! If you can, get the sample and that should tell you how it will appear. Hopefully, it will render the way you want. Let me know. Thanks, @cid .

I, too, have a few fiddle books in paperback. Hate trying to keep them open. Spiral binding is the way to go. That's why I like ebooks and/or .pdf files. I practice in my office, and I have a large computer screen which makes viewing easy.

Jim

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Well, the Kindle version is a moot point. The book will not be sent to the forScore App, just to the Kindle app on my Pro. There is no way to import it into the forScore app. Kindle is not an option to import from. Makes sense, actually. Probably not just a simple PDF. You can import PDF’s to Kindle, which is why I thought I would be able to use the Kindle book as a PDF import into forScore. If I could get it into my GoodReader app, I could, but it won’t go there either. I can understand why, Amazon has to protect the copyrights of the publishers and authors. It was worth looking into.

The Kindle format is probably not compatible, for one thing. I will just spiralize my book and just use it from the paper version. Who knows, maybe it will be clear enough for me to actually be able to see without having to move the stand too close. If I move it too close, I bow it. LOL since most of these songs are old fiddle songs, probably in the public domain category. I could look and see if any are available in free legal downloads when I come to them. Then I can put them in forScore. Now, that is an idea. My thread may have been a dead end but discussing it leads to ideas. thumbs-up

This topic is now not relevant because I can’t do what I needed to to do. 

Thanks everyone.

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cid said
 Probably not just a simple PDF.

It is just your run-of-the-mill .pdf file, unless Amazon is encoding it differently. Melbay has it in a standard .pdf file.

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I ordered the Kindle version. I received an answer from the Mel Bay customer service. It is just like the book. It is much easier to read on the larger pro. I will just be using it in the Kindle Reader and not through forScore, so I won’t be able to annotate. Not a big deal, but is a nice feature. It is very clear in the larger screen. Yep, good purchase. 

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Good to hear!

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Good to SEE! 😂

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roflol

And, congrats on being made an Admin...just saw that.

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Thanks

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I have various Mel Bay books, some about fiddling, I know, but they are in boxes, so I can't get to them easily. My own inclination would be to open them out on the music stand and break their spines if they are that badly bound, then put them in the recycling bin when I have exhausted what they have to teach.

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LOL @Gordon Shumway I picturing Alf going through the old books, ripping the spines and then eating the books!

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