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2 issues:

1. I recently discovered that while I can read the score, I'm not reading the actual  notes on it.  Rather, I'm reading the "finger positions" which correspond to the notes.

This is going to get me in deep deep trouble when I start learning 3rd position because the finger positions don't translate straight across.  For instance, 3rd position on D is not the same as 1st position on A.  Its low by a note because D3 is G, not A.  That throws off the fingering by 1 finger and it confuses me as to what I'm supposed to be doing.  I need to fix this problem so that I know what the notes are and not where the dots tell me to put my fingers.

2.  I'm also having difficulty finding music to download which is the music I want to learn.  The stuff I can download looks proper, but when you compare what's on the page with what people are playing in various videos, they usually don't match up.

Further, sometimes I can find videos with some of the score on the screen, but there's no download for it.  This leads to frustration.

 

Solution:

I made a music composition sheet in Excel which I can print out and I've started writing down the scores for the music I can't get on them.  When writing I'm physically speaking the notes which I mark on the score.  I'm also speaking the various notations (pauses, ritardando, piano, forte, etc) and making sure that I know what the marks and notations mean.

This is also frustrating but in a good way because I will improve my reading ability.  Which will translate (I hope) to better playing down the road.

 

Now if only my handwriting would improve...

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@RDP said "2.  I'm also having difficulty finding music to download which is the music I want to learn.  The stuff I can download looks proper, but when you compare what's on the page with what people are playing in various videos, they usually don't match up."

This is common ...if not the norm.  At least outside of orchestral scores which I know nothing about.  Pop songs...fiddle tunes..old standards ...the sheet music is either written too basic or has way more notated than need be for learning the tune..  I think its better to go for the more basic and fill in whats missing with whats in your head.   The more you do it ..the better you get with it.   just takes time.

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@ABitRusty 

I just wish that I could find unadulterated scores.  Wouldn't it be nice if the larger music academies had digital libraries of verified accurate copies of the historical music scores available to the public?  This could be done by the Philharmoncs and orchestra's too.  Wouldn't it be fantastic if, say, the LA Phil or the Boston Pops had a digital library online?  It would put the legions of musical money grifters out of business and promote the academy's excellence and purpose.

The major recording labels could do the same.  99 cents would get you a download of any score owned by that label and it would exactly match the artist's recording.  Unfortunately that would require that the academies and music industry as a whole stop being musical money grifters themselves too.

I also think copyright laws need changed but that's a different subject.  And going nowhere for the same reason as the above.

I also know for a fact that back in the days of Mozart I'd never make it as a copyist or scribe.  In fact, were I in Rome when it burned, anyone who tried to read my musical copies would more than likely throw me into the fire than rescue me from it.

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RDP said

I just wish that I could find unadulterated scores. 

@RDP 

This site has access to many scores of public domain music, & can be downloaded free:

IMSLP (International Music Score Library Project) - Public Domain Music

https://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:L.....ary_Portal

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https://fiddlerman.com/studies.....sic-links/

Here's a few of them:

IMSLP - SharonC mentioned this, other forum members use this source for classical music.

Library Of Congress – Notated Music

Brown University Digital Repository

Kholodenko Music Library

Kemancilar

Universities, well known for their music programs, will have great Libraries of music - some open to the public, check local or digital download policies.

If you don't find what you are looking for free, check to see if it's available to purchase. 

If you are interested in any trad folk music, it's subject to interpretation - learning style/genre characteristics is what many of the posts, here on the forum, are about. 

If all else fails, it's never too late to start learning by ear.  I have posted links elsewhere to help & can find them if you are interested.

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IMSLP is the go-to online source for classical musicians. My orchestra gets scores and parts from there for almost everything we play that was composed before 1927. It would be hard to find any classical musician today who isn't familiar with it.

That said, it's sometimes worth paying for a good edition, especially for old music where the composer's manuscript is hard to read or no longer exists. The best published editions include extensive endnotes discussing the sources or why the editor made certain decisions. Oh yes, that's the other thing about classical music: most of it was written with pen and paper, which means someone has to decipher the composer's handwriting (which can be messy) and whatever shorthand the composer may have used to save the time and effort of writing out all the details. Much of it was copied by hand for the earliest performances, and only published years later. And many of the original manuscripts have been lost. So in many cases there is no definitive or "original" version, but there are multiple well-thought-out editions to choose from.

As for orchestras having libraries, the New York Philharmonic does have a digital library online for study and research purposes, containing scans of almost everything the orchestra has played in its 180-year history. It's not printable and pieces that are still under copyright are partially obscured, but it's certainly useful.

On the traditional music side, it's hard to have a definitive version of anything. What you'll find will be either basic commonly accepted versions that may still vary from place to place, or direct transcriptions of one particular performance or recording.

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When searching for free sheet music, I used to think anything that was notated on a Treble or Alto music Staff was good for me to play, using the Violin/Viola.  I didn't like the idea of missing out on playing great music, just because it's written for another instrument.

Thought I should share this thread: 

Beware of the Sheet Music! Thread

...btw, if anyone is interested, Bagpipes are also a 'transposing' instrument.

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ELCBK said
  Bagpipes are also a transposed instrument.

(transposing instrument) I didn't know that.

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@Gordon Shumway -

This was a fairly recent finding.  I was relying on what I heard, so it was another bit of a frustrating fiasco figuring out the sheet music. 

Scottish Piper Tunes Played on The Fiddle Thread

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