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Suzuki Book 1 - Aunt Rhody vs Song of the wind.
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I'm just starting to learn Song of the Wind.  The last piece was Go Tell Aunt Rhody.  Both pieces teach the technique for string changes from A to E and back again.

 

Aunt Rhody has (for me) a horrible string change in the 6th bar.  It descends from E1 to open E.  Then it goes, in an 8th note, from that E to A3.

 

Song of the Wind has (for me) a wonderfully easy string change in the 6th bar from E1 to an open E to A4 (along with retaking the bow for a downbow).

 

I'm wondering why the choice of sequence to teach Aunt Rhody first when Song of the Wind is so much simpler and better feeling.  Is there something I'm missing by learning Aunt Rhody first?  I still can't play Aunt Rhody without slurring on the D string, but Song of the Wind is bang on almost every time.

 

So why that particular sequence?  Is it just the teacher preferring to do it that way?  Or something more that I'm not seeing?

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Take this with a grain of salt.. but reading your question a couple of things came to mind.

it sounds like the objective of song of the wind is to introduce the 4th finger so youre practicing the E on A string instead of open string.  id say the song comes after go tell aunt rhody because 4th finger more difficult usually than just playing the open string note.  your lucky if isnt!! 

as for go tell aunt rhody and for string changes in general...practice STOPPING your bow before changing strings.  When you do this its not so much a practice of keeping in time with music but an active practice of stopping bow movement before changing string.  So when you stop the bow also be practicing placing your third finger on the A string AT the same time.  then play the note.   Making it an intententional practice thing helps coordinate the movement.  I was shown this and has helped me.

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@RDP -

ABitRusty is right!  You can also visualize your bow and each string it's on as a 'teeter-totter'

About the sequence, I'm sure there is a reason - guess you have to take into consideration if it was geared for kids.  Tutorials and programs for adults usually explain in more detail.

There was an adult program of violin learning books with online support I posted about, quite a while back - I'd have to dig it up if you're interested.  It explained EVERYTHING more.  If I'd known about it sooner, I would've used it. 

Since I didn't follow a program, I just picked Irish music tutorials that were short and used a lot of string crossings to practice them - like someone else might use etudes.  One favorite I started with was "The Trip to Sligo" - I slowed the video down, didn't do the rolls and played the open E instead of 4th finger, for the added crossings.

The Trip to Sligo Tutorial - Duncan Cameron

 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/e3/c4/74e3c4d8b9df15e3669bb580ac11152a.jpg

 

Some of this stuff you just have to keep at until it sounds good.

Doesn't hurt to supplement your program. 

- Emily

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ABitRusty said
Take this with a grain of salt.. but reading your question a couple of things came to mind.

it sounds like the objective of song of the wind is to introduce the 4th finger so youre practicing the E on A string instead of open string.  id say the song comes after go tell aunt rhody because 4th finger more difficult usually than just playing the open string note.  your lucky if isnt!! 

as for go tell aunt rhody and for string changes in general...practice STOPPING your bow before changing strings.  When you do this its not so much a practice of keeping in time with music but an active practice of stopping bow movement before changing string.  So when you stop the bow also be practicing placing your third finger on the A string AT the same time.  then play the note.   Making it an intententional practice thing helps coordinate the movement.  I was shown this and has helped me.

  

Suzuki introduces the 4th finger early on.  The tutorial I'm following really emphasizes it too.

 

Lightly Row is earlier in the lesson plan and it's all about the 4th finger on A.  Repetitions upon repetitions of A4.

 

Aunt Rhody was next after Lightly Row and it adds more string changes to the mix.  The issue I have with it is the staff goes from E1 to E0 in quarter notes then to A3 an eighth note later.  That's very fast for a beginner and requires a lot of precision in technique.

Meanwhile, Song of the Wind is a lot slower in the fingering, using quarter notes during the string changes.  Plus it goes from E0 to A4 rather than A3 while retaking the bow to the heel at the same time.  Which goes along with the 4th finger emphasis and gives a ton of time to get everything set before bowing again after the eighth rest.

 

It's possible that it's an individual preference as to which song should precede the other.  I just feel that Song of the Wind should have been first because it's more in line with my abilities and that Aunt Rhody would build on what I learned in Song of the Wind, rather than vice versa.

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ELCBK said
@RDP -

ABitRusty is right!  You can also visualize your bow and each string it's on as a 'teeter-totter'

About the sequence, I'm sure there is a reason - guess you have to take into consideration if it was geared for kids.  Tutorials and programs for adults usually explain in more detail.

There was an adult program of violin learning books with online support I posted about, quite a while back - I'd have to dig it up if you're interested.  It explained EVERYTHING more.  If I'd known about it sooner, I would've used it. 

Since I didn't follow a program, I just picked Irish music tutorials that were short and used a lot of string crossings to practice them - like someone else might use etudes.  One favorite I started with was "The Trip to Sligo" - I slowed the video down, didn't do the rolls and played the open E instead of 4th finger, for the added crossings.

The Trip to Sligo Tutorial - Duncan Cameron

 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/e3/c4/74e3c4d8b9df15e3669bb580ac11152a.jpg

 

Some of this stuff you just have to keep at until it sounds good.

Doesn't hurt to supplement your program. 

- Emily

  

At this point I'm just trying to keep up with the tutorial I'm following.  Adding in more stuff would overwhelm me.

 

I figure that at the rate the tutorial is going I'll be playing Bach's concertos 1,2,&3 in March 2022.  At that point I'll start adding the stuff that's on my "recital list."

 

Would love to find a score for Ailein Duinn that's close to this one sung by Celtic Spirit.

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