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Violin Vibrato Mechanics
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Fiddlerman
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August 24, 2011 - 10:58 pm
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VIBRATO MECHANICS

This video will teach you the mechanics of a good vibrato regardless of whether it is an arm, wrist, or finger vibrato. See how the fingers are pulled back smoothly when using the correct movements and angles.

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SaraO
Michigan

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August 25, 2011 - 7:48 am
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Nice. I seem more comfortable with arm vibrato. There is a lot of tension in my wrist when I attempt wrist vibrato. Practice. practice. practice.

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Fiddlerman
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August 25, 2011 - 8:58 am
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Usually the opposite. Glad to hear that you can relax the tension on the arm vibrato. Take it easy and let it come naturally. Start slow and make sure that the movement is smooth.

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but the one who needs the least."

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suresh
Tuticorin, India

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April 30, 2012 - 5:42 am
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I came across this video of Professor V a few days ago.

This is in addition to the now famous 'bug exercise' from Russia's Naska. 

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Give me excess of it ..(William Shakespeare in Twelfth Night)

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April 30, 2012 - 9:40 am

I do not doubt the Perfessor but I could never remember all that AND play a violin also.

As Yogi said, "You can't bat and think at the same time."

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EJ-Kisz
Midwest, US
April 30, 2012 - 10:18 am
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I started the same way.  I still have trouble with wrist vibrato, but my arm vibrato is coming along! 

The one thing I notice that I'm doing wrong is when I pull back on my fingers, my first knuckle locks and hyper extends making the "return" motion very difficult.  That's partly because of my grip and part because of being double jointed.  

Thank's to FM's recommendation of adjusting the angles of my fingers, I was able to get some of the vibrato motion! 

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NoirVelours
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April 30, 2012 - 2:59 pm
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I'm so not in a hurry to start vibrato lol sounds too complicated, I fumble curiously but never really tried to learn it yet. One  step at the time for me.

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Fiddlerman
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April 30, 2012 - 3:02 pm
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Good for you NV. You don't have to learn vibrato. It's just ONE form of embellishment.

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April 30, 2012 - 3:39 pm
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In my book, Relaxation = Disregard, its just more snake oil.  Sorry Professor V.

And if you bought a violin because you were motivated by classical music then you don't want to play dull folk songs in 1st position without vibrato.  For us classical fans, I'm a bit puzzled why I waste so much time and energy on string crossing which enormously complicates making music which is the goal afterall.  You can play many very interesting (to listen to) passages of 8-10 measures or so (eg. Tchaikovsky Symphony 5 , 2nd movement on the G string) on one string only. Its actually technically simpler than Suzuki Book 1 and much more interesting musically.

So why not learn a simplified scale system at first that avoids string crossing completely?   The Flesh Scale System has this but the notation is crammed with all the complicated rhythms and bowings so its not as user friendly as it should be.

The other bugaboo I have is the lack of gradual progression into *continuous* vibrato.  I really hate these adhoc approaches such as placing your hand against the ribs and rocking back and forth.  All the flexibility exercises aren't worth a damn.  It fools your mind into believing a little motor exists in either your hand or elbow when no such device exists. 

Surely, some common sense approach is required, else the end result is irregular vibrato (can't control evenness) which is disastrous.  Something along the lines of Finger Articulation Exercises (including harmonics) --> Chromatic Passages (to learn some movements of the fingers) -->etc etc.  that leads to *continuous* vibrato where you have the ability to vibrate on 8th notes.

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TerryT
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April 30, 2012 - 3:50 pm
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you may have a point there, Composer.

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April 30, 2012 - 5:26 pm
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I watched one particular video where the man said,"pretend you are rubbing a spot off your fingerboard with one finger".blink

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Fiddlestix said
I watched one particular video where the man said,"pretend you are rubbing a spot off your fingerboard with one finger".blink

 

Im gonna try that.......crossedfingers

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EJKiszenia said
  That's partly because of my grip and part because of being double jointed.  

Holy cow, I have never encountered so many double jointed people as I have on this forum! Is there some genetic link between double-jointedness and wanting to play the violin?

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Fiddlerman
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May 1, 2012 - 8:11 am
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Time out. No more negative responses towards members allowed here. I removed the posts regarding the issue. If you don't like what someone has said about you just refrain from defending yourself here. Send me a PM and I'll look at both sides. I think there was a slight misunderstanding here that got blown out of proportion. Sometimes we express ourselves in a way that can be misunderstood. Sometimes we say something and people think that we are saying the exact opposite. Sorry it took me so long to read this thread.

Back to Violin Vibrato Mechanics. It is OK to find your own way to vibrate as long as it works for you, doesn't cause stress or pain, and sounds good. What is playing all about if not to sound good? Proper technique is a way to do things easier but if you can't do it that way you find a way that works for you. Doesn't mean that you must stop trying to learn another way.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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almost there now....i can feel it in my bones....one day vibrato is gonna spew forth from my machine and fill my soul

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