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Why can't I 'do' vibrato? And why aren't I trying to yet?
Yes, 'Ferret' has been 'thinking' again. It's rarely a good thing :)
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Good attitude.  It takes many skills to play well and vibrato is only one of them and, by no means, most important.   However, try some vibrato even if it hardly works.  Just a little time now and then will help.  It will take some time. 

Besides, if you play mostly fast music you won't need vibrato at all  :) :)

 

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Hey Ferret i have a strange vibrato story..

  I started trying it after a couple of months playing and could never really get anywhere..

At first i was doing it wrong..Then eventually started getting better..A little..Then watching Fiddlermans videos i started really slowly baby stepping the correct way but it seemed almost impossible for the tips of my fingers to bend that way..Every night practicing for 1 1/2 years.

 

Then a couple of months ago i got sick for almost a week and did not play...When

  i started playing again it was almost like a divine intervention i had a wide nice vibrato..

I was shocked!!!

  It almost seemed my wrist and fingers would stay tense from practicing every night.

Now i have a pretty wide nice vibrato and it just came like thatdunno

 

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I have been playing on and off for about 2.5 years now (have had regular lessons and playing regularly for about 1.5 years) .

Like Fiddlerman, I started to try vibrato from the very beginning; I could do finger and wrist vibrato then. However, like all of you have said and from what I have read it's advised not to start vibrato too soon so I decided to wait till our teacher started to teach my daughter so I could do it right (Chinese saying: "it takes three days to build up a bad habit and it takes three years to undo it).

Our teacher has a system for teaching vibrato. When she first started teaching my daughter (over six months ago) I was not too interested for some reasons.  Then when she started teaching me about a month ago, she went through the steps in a swift with me. I guessed since I am a visual learner and since I watched FM's video and observed closely how our teacher taught my daughter so I was in advantage of picking up vibrato. Now I am doing it right but I still need to practice it more until it becomes natural and automatic for me.  

From my own experience and my teacher's advice, to do vibrato, one will need to relax all joints involved, thumb has to be supporting the scroll yet not tightly hooked onto scroll to allow other joints to "swing" to make vibrato (not having the thumb hook tightly to the scroll is also helpful for shifting). The other thing is when you do vibrato, the root joint of your index no longer touching the neck of the violin, unless you are playing on open strings. From my own learning experience, the most helpful thing was when the teacher put her hands (fingers?) on my hand to show me what the right movements supposed to feel like for vibrato.

I agree with all the comments that to take advantages of the non vibrate time to focus on intonation, dynamics, expressions, phrasing, bow techniques, etc. you know when you are ready for vibrato like a child will roll over, sit up, crawl, pull up, free stand, take steps, walk, run, and climb when he/she is ready for the movements. So, take your time. You don't do vibrato does not mean you are not a good player. I have seen kids that don't do vibrato even when they were in Suzuki book 4 and 5, yet, they were fantastic players! Somewhere I read, "Vibrato for some it comes fast, for some it take times" so go with your own pace.

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Nice article! Thanks.

But I would like to do it differently. And I have a reason why I trying to do vibrato at my 4th month. After 3d month of playing violin I`ve found that I still use more than it is required finger`s pressure on a fingerboard. The problem was with my left wrist, which wasn`t straight enough. The danger of this problem is that fingers get into the habit of wrong movements. I mean, they loose flexibility and start to achieve nice intonation by a wrong way.

Vibrato, I suggest, may help to control your fingers. It is absolutely impossible to do even something like arm vibrato, if something wrong with left hand`s wrist and fingers. So, as for me, I still try to do vibrato because it helps me always control flexibility of fingers and left wrist. 

However, before starting to do what I do now (above), I`ve made some reasearch concerned about how to do arm vibrato. All beginners try to do wrist vibrato. I think, it is a good idea to do arm vibrato (which is more difficult than wrist vibratp) when possible.

 

I understand that my opinion has only a little authority. But, that`s my way of learning violin, which, I suggest, tend to be successful :)  

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I don't think it is a "wrong" way, Hurton.

Anything a person does, there will almost always be several good ways of going about it that follow a somewhat different line of logic.  Each way will get to some parts quicker and some bits later. 

Learning always has some element of experimentation to it.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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I was one who wanted and tried vibrato early. It did not matter, I couldn't do anything about it or make it happen. I do know people that tried it early and got it. So about every four months or so I would try it again..for a bit.

Now two years later... I can do a little something vibrate-y.

I seem to be back with the death grip thanks to my obsession with the Swallow Tail Jig.

I am also in the beginning stages of Swan Lake..and I think vibrato is going to make a difference in it sounding good or great.... so I have been wobbling that first finger on a few of the notes....and practicing a shift to 3rd position (which was harder than I thought..grumble)

Anyway..I like what Pierre said about those who can't to work on dynamics and phrasing ect...I think there is a LOT to be said about that. I am seeing some of that happen in my playing these days so that helps me not feel so sad about my Vibrato-less life.

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Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

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Very good news Toni. Phrasing is less common IMO than is vibrato. A player who just vibrates to be expressive is bound to be more boring than a player who phrases using dynamics, breathing, articulation.....

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@coolpinkone "I seem to be back with the death grip thanks to my obsession with the Swallow Tail Jig."

I'd like to hear what you got so far on swallowtail jig and see if I can be of help

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@coolpinkone said: "I seem to be back with the death grip..."

Sounds like my golf game -- grip tight, swing hard. So now we know of at least two things that don't work well with a tight grip.

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. ~Herm Albright

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@fiddlerman... gotcha on the phrasing... I think I misquoted on that one. :)

@Barry.. I have been working up the nerve for my Swallowtail..to get some feedback... I do need feedback... for sure... I think I suffer intonation-wise as I get caught up and I start going fast and OMG..I can 't stop.... and it it nutty.

@Uzi... damned deathgrip!!!

deathgrip and a new bout of camera shy...grrrh....

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@coolpinkone you can PM or even email me your video if youd rather not post it here, its just one of the tunes I do well and I'd like to help...so its up to you
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Coolness Barry.. thanks... I will!!! I will try to put on my big girl pants...and just make a video! :) you da bomb (I don't think that is "in" to say anymore..) ha ha ha..
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coolpinkone said

Coolness Barry.. thanks... I will!!! I will try to put on my big girl pants...and just make a video! https://fiddlerman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif you da bomb (I don't think that is "in" to say anymore..) ha ha ha..
https://fiddlerman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

LOL, I dont think half of my expressions are "in", but were violinists so we are cool just by being

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coolpinkone said

@fiddlerman... gotcha on the phrasing... I think I misquoted on that one. https://fiddlerman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

You actually did not misquote me at all. I was very pleased that you quoted me and it worked perfectly in the context.
Thanks

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Vibrato--This is something I want to learn/perfect soooo bad. My husband tells me to be patient.
I've been practicing violin consistently for 1 month and I've introduced myself to the first part of hand vibrato-The motion on the strings. Vibrato will be essential for me and the environment in which I will play (church). Lots of Slow songs.
I think if it's something you are dying to learn, go for it. I can't imagine waiting 2 years to learn vibrato. I am not that patient.

Patience is necessary to learn the violin: But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.-James 1:4
When I get discouraged: I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.-Philippians 4:13

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With motivation it will come to you DeeLight41. Good luck and don't give up!

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