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A Tip For Learning Long or Busy Songs
This applies to all instruments. This seems to make it easier for me, might help you, too.
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cid
November 25, 2019 - 7:23 pm
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I have issues with the longer, more involved songs I am now doing. The Suzuki songs are really not as involved in books 1-3 as the songs we are now doing in class. I have issues becoming familiar with the fingering, the bowing, etc beyond the first few measures. I break it down into sections, but it still blows my mind. I tried starting from the back and working my way forward. Worked with smaller less page filled pieces, but not now. I and my instructor know I can do it, but I have issues learning material that is filling up a whole sheet.

I was thinking about this. What was the difference between this and the shorter pieces, other than there is no shifting? Shifting is really not an issue, it is quite fun. I don’t always hit the mark, but I am getting better. The difference is that the sheet music, itself, is not as busy. The measures are not as crammed; there are not as many notes on a line or lines on a page on the Suzuki pages as there are on one 8x10 piece of sheet music paper.

My solution was to take that music, on my Pro. Turn it horizontal. Take a screenshot. It will not get the entire length, but that is fine. I move it up to contain the last line shown before and take another screenshot. I do this 4 or 5 times. If it is shorter, I only need to do it 3 times.

Now, I take that and open into iBooks from my photos. It turns each photo into a PDF. Then I can import it into my forScore app. After it is on my app, I take each page and paint over the lines I do not need with white, because the paper is white. That leaves two lines of music. Being horizontal, it is wider and larger sheet music. It is no longer as busy looking to my mind. 

I do this with each screenshot PDF. I eliminate the lines I do not want or need. At the top of each page, I write the name of the song, composer, arranger, and the now new page number. I also date it so I know when any edits or playing info notes were made.

I used these new wider, shorter versions of the current song today. Wow, it made so much more sense. The sections were so much easier to concentrate on. I think it is because I am not seeing the entire piece. The full sheet just looks too busy to me, most people probably do not have that issue, but if you do, and you are using public domain music, or from a source that allows copies to be made, you should try this.

I was even able to go from page 1 to page 2 fairly easy. I still need to work on page 2 on its own, but I wanted to get it into my mind it goes with page 1 before I associated it as its own song, I also went through all 5 pages once to keep the continuity so I did not get to thinking each page was separate.

I hope this helps some of you. This is just the way I learn, and it might help you, also. Too much on a page is too busy for me to absorb, even if broken down. The rest is still in my vision.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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BillyG
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November 26, 2019 - 3:03 am
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@cid - I know precisely what you mean - and I'm sure it can be an issue that plagues many of us - that's a great solution.

I approach it differently (not better, just different) - virtually all of my music work (be it playing, recording, experimental work, research etc is done on a laptop) - so I'll invest the initial effort of either somehow importing a score to MuseScore - or worst case - manually transcribing it note by note - but once done - the payback becomes huge for me.

So, once that's done - I'll just work with it locally on MuseScore to learn the piece (maybe dropping the tempo initially when needed) - or - if it is intended as a play-along track for others to work with - just use a video capture tool of the MuseScore piece in play-mode and share it out - like this one -

[ And oh - sometimes I'll show the following stave line if/when I find it really necessary to read-ahead and "be ready for what's coming next" LOL ]

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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November 26, 2019 - 6:22 am
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@BillyG I forgot to mention I look for a YouTube version. I then add the best two or three, or just one if that is all I find, to my home page. I then put them all in a folder with the title for the folder name. As I listen to them and get familiar with the tune, it is usually whittled down to one. I need to also hear the song and see it played to get a few things:

Rhythm

Feeling

Watch bow distribution

And a couple other things

I listen to the section I am working on over an over as I am working on it. I would to find a way to play it as I listen to it.  My problem is that I can never do it and it causes me more issues, so I stopped that. I can’t spend too much time prepping to learn and not enough time actually playing. I had to keep stopping it to catch up. Plus, I end put listening and thinking, “I so wish I could do that!”

If I can find a Cellopedia  version, that is great because he always does a slowed down version. I have not been lucky with the last couple. I am thinking I have passed his slowed down repertoire. 

I have to look into MuseScore. I haven’t watched your video yet. It is 6 am and I just now logged in and haven’t had coffee yet. The name sounds familiar. I wonder if that is what my guitar instructor talked about decades ago.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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November 26, 2019 - 7:20 am
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@cid - oh indeed - existing versions/interpretations on You Tube are invaluable.  Yup, especially with fiddle-style tunes, or, well, anything that is open to an individual approach - especially if I intend soloing the piece - which is what I mostly do, like 9 times out of 10.  I'll do the "whittling down" as well, and then just work with a simplified score - and as I become more and more familiar with the tune, I no longer require the sheet or MuseScore and embellishments gradually "evolve and develop" into what is hopefully an individual and personal style.

I have to look into MuseScore. I haven’t watched your video yet. It is 6 am and I just now logged in and haven’t had coffee yet. The name sounds familiar. I wonder if that is what my guitar instructor talked about decades ago.

 I'm not sure when MuseScore first appeared - I doubt it was decades ago - but, maybe in an early incantation....  mmmh possibly....   It is freeware and released as open-source software under the GNU General Public License (they do look for donations - which is only fair as there's a web site and server space to keep funded - but the request for donations is only done on the site - NOT in the program.  In use, the program is not interrupted by pop-ups or ads or any nonsense like that!)  Documentation is available online, as well as in a printed manual (which I purchased a couple of years back in lieu of making an actual donation)

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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November 26, 2019 - 7:30 am
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I wonder if this thread should have been out in “Music Theory” because it is learning and should not be buried in the Breakroom. I just didn’t consider it Music Theory and did not want to link it with a specified bowed string instrument. I use it for cello, at the moment. People looking for violin or viola help are not going to check the cello and I don’t generally go to violin or viola for cello. I wasn’t sure where to put this. 

This is just an aside, folks, so please don’t change my topic. You can PM me with thoughts on this. I could be wrong. I can let Fiddlerman know if you all agree with a “Non-Instrument Specific Learning Tips” section for the of the area under “Music Theory”. The main Music Theory Section heading says, “Learning Violin/Fiddle”, but if this subheading says, “Non-Instrument Specific Learning Tips”, that defines it as for any instrument discussed in this forum.  I mention it here instead of as a thread for forum suggestions so you see it in use. My other thread that I posted last night would be in the same category. It was about the benefits of having and electric bowed string instrument: 

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/b.....and-cello/

Just PM me about it, rather than changing my thread topic of dealing with “busy” sheet music and bow to break it down. 

Thanks a bunch.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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BillyG said
@cid - I know precisely what you mean - and I'm sure it can be an issue that plagues many of us - that's a great solution.

I approach it differently (not better, just different) - virtually all of my music work (be it playing, recording, experimental work, research etc is done on a laptop) - so I'll invest the initial effort of either somehow importing a score to MuseScore - or worst case - manually transcribing it note by note - but once done - the payback becomes huge for me.

So, once that's done - I'll just work with it locally on MuseScore to learn the piece (maybe dropping the tempo initially when needed) - or - if it is intended as a play-along track for others to work with - just use a video capture tool of the MuseScore piece in play-mode and share it out - like this one -

[ And oh - sometimes I'll show the following stave line if/when I find it really necessary to read-ahead and "be ready for what's coming next" LOL ]

  

@Billyg and @cid  I do what Billy is describing here with tunes and make play along tracks for tunes I don't have a recording of.  very helpful. 

I understand what youre getting at Cynthia as far as seeing one section at a time especially with larger fonts so the notes appear larger.  I don't go about it quiet like you do but whatever works is the best way for you and is something worth experimenting with.  Thanks for the tip!

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