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HELP!!! crooked tunes, back-steps in particular Clinch Mountain
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My understanding is that crooked tunes have unequal number of measures in parts A and B.

Are crooked tunes always back-steps?

Are back-step tunes always crooked?

I know the back-step is in part B.  I have been told it is in measure 14. It seems as though it should be in measure 13, but is that the crooked part?halloffame.org/Resources/Clinch%20Mountain%20Backstep.pdf

See the link to the music as written.  When I play it as written and how I THINK it sounds I am told I am not playing the back-step!

HELP!! @fiddlerman or @fiddlinsteudel or anyone else in the know!!

Thanks!!!

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A crooked tune with no separate A and B part?

http://www.celticguitarmusic.c.....ot_elk.htm

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Schaick

Thank you for bring this up. I personally had never heard of a crooked tune before. So I had to look it up and listen to some examples. Interesting how we get set in our minds how things have to work and find out were wrong, man I hate that. Oh well live and learn. Good luck on an explanation as I don't know that particular song.

 

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I don't know about back-steps, hopefully someone else will know the answer to that question. I believe the answer is yes because the music equals the rhythm.

Crooked tunes are simply tunes written with regular deviation in the rhythm. For example: 1 2, 1 2 3, 1 2, 1 2 3, 1 2, 1 2 3... the alternating time signature can deviate in any way, for example 3 eighth notes while the 1, 2 are quarter notes. It really doesn't matter but the rhythm changes and usually on a regular and constant basis. Normal rhythms are constant throughout most the piece or just change from time to time.

Good luck with finding out about back steps. 🙂

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Thanks @fiddlerman Knowing for sure what a crooked tune is.

I also found out at jam that the backstep in is for sure in measure 14.  Although it is not written that way the E is held for an exaggerated amount of time, an extra count in that measure but then the G is a staccato!!

Interesting that the site that I linked to where the music is demonstrated are not playing it as a back-step.  LOL! At jam they played it over and over until I could actually hear where the back-step was.  Finally I was able to play it once correctly. 

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If you really want a "crooked tune", try an Irish slip jig. They are written in 9/8 time and they DO take some getting used to. 

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Gotta get that feel on slip jigs for sure.  Heres another example in the old time feel.  Really like this.

 

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