Welcome to our forum. A Message To Our New and Prospective Members . Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

A A A
Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Danny Boy
Hoping the rhythm is better ( even if it’s just a tiny bit)
Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 (2 votes) 
Avatar
Katie M
Members

Regulars
March 27, 2022 - 2:11 pm
Member Since: December 8, 2020
Forum Posts: 510
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

feature=youtu.be

I’ve been working on my rhythm for Danny Boy because my mum pointed out that note lengths were all the same so I have been trying to play the quavers correctly but am finding it tough going. Also been trying to work on my wrist with and tilting the bow away although you wouldn’t know it from this video … I can only concentrate on one thing at a time. also I had 7% battery so I was kind of aware of that. But it’s the quaver and the dotted crochet I’ve been working on so hopefully it’s at least a tiny bit better.. thanks for watching.

Avatar
stringy
Members

Regulars
March 27, 2022 - 3:37 pm
Member Since: August 23, 2020
Forum Posts: 1391
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Did you, have 7 percent battery or your recorder, if it was you, you should plug yourself in. It can be very tiring playing and it runs your battery down.

Honest opinion? I truly am astounded since your last recorded tune, I think your intonation is really good, and I see nothing wrong really at all with your timing. Your tone however has dramatically improved, along with string crossing   I really am very,very impressed, very listenable, if you want any constructive criticism the only thing I would say is your bow is wandering, probably due to the fact of extreme concentration.

Some of those notes, especially when you started to relax, I could hear ring, and on others you were no more than a couple of cents out, maybe 3 which isnt much. And is improving all the time now. if you calmed down they would all be more or less bang on, carry on and you will be the best of us quite soon. Play more scales, the more you can hear if you are out the better you will become, I know you are playing lot now I can hear it in your improvement.

You should remember, and not everyone agrees with me, but I think you shouldnt play tunes, traditional anyway, exactly as you hear them played by other people, the tune should be perfectly recognisable but also shouldnt be a carbon copy, I am in no real position one way or the other to offer this advice as my own violin playing stinks, but, these are my thoughts, and I am very lucky in the fact that I have been helped along the way by a person from another forum who is an expert on traditional music, a professor in fact in an American uni, he told me I was starting to play like a robot when reading music, which is great for getting the rythms and such for classical but not so much for trad, hope all that helps and I will probably be shot down by others, but there you go.

Bit more, bit more, snap #*÷?×[email protected]?#[email protected]

Avatar
Katie M
Members

Regulars
March 27, 2022 - 4:01 pm
Member Since: December 8, 2020
Forum Posts: 510
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks so much Stringy I was thinking why did I post that so to hear you say such positive things is amazing ! When it comes to intonation I have only been able to notice when I’m a long way out. I need my tuner to be able to tell if I’m in tune in the first place so not having that is a no go!! I have been practicing my bowing but yes you are right I can only do it if I concentrate on it. So hard I look at other players and it’s the way they put their fingers down exactly right. There is no buzzing or off notes! Their left thumb doesn’t slip etc .. another one of my problems .. that all comes from having to move my left had because I’m learning vibrato !! Oh yes vibrato, that’s why I’m playing Danny boy !! That’s gone out the window ! Thanks for your comments I appreciate so much !!! 😀

Avatar
stringy
Members

Regulars
March 27, 2022 - 4:13 pm
Member Since: August 23, 2020
Forum Posts: 1391
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am just telling you the truth.

As for hearing it starts to come on its own with practice of scales and arpeggios. My own hearing for sharp and flat and the like is now quite good and is getting better all the time, which is a blessing and a curse as being able to hear how flat you are doesnt necessarily translate into playing better, its still hard to hit notes bang on, in fact extremely hard for me anyway, quite amusing though when you listen to pieces of music sung by buskers or played on the street and you can hear all the flat notes, while others cant, lol

Bit more, bit more, snap #*÷?×[email protected]?#[email protected]

Avatar
Mouse
March 27, 2022 - 5:05 pm
Member Since: December 26, 2018
Forum Posts: 4054
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

That was really nice. I have been doing that song on my viola, cello and violin for a long time. I never play it the same way. It depends in the “sway” for lack of a better term, I feel like using with it. 

I agree with @stringy Play it the way you want. You can change it up. Do whatever you feel like. I have changed my ending, I hold on to one of the notes a while and pause a fraction of a second after before continuing, etc. The song is still the song, I just change up the rhythm to what I want at the time.

🐭

The Bumblebee Flies!

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
March 27, 2022 - 5:34 pm
Member Since: February 10, 2019
Forum Posts: 2526
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

katie i hear Danny Boy for sure!  i approach vocal songs just like mouse does.  do it like you feel...rob a note length here or there and add to the next.... whatever feels good and keeps the base melody.   

Avatar
SharonC
Members

Regulars
March 27, 2022 - 7:08 pm
Member Since: June 24, 2020
Forum Posts: 843
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@Katie M 

You intonation is really good on this, & your work on the rhythm is very obvious—can definitely hear a difference.  Often, when working out a rhythm thing, you can break it down, bar by bar (sometimes beat by beat), & then put it back together.  And focusing on that makes it very difficult to pay attention to all the other things!

Two different things coming up here—being able to perform the rhythm as written, and deciding to make variations. You’ve indicated that you are working on getting the rhythm, as written, down.

Katie M said
. . .
I’ve been working on my rhythm for Danny Boy. . . so I have been trying to play the quavers correctly . . . But it’s the quaver and the dotted crochet I’ve been working on . . .

The foundation of any piece is its pulse– doesn’t mean it can’t vary (slow down, speed up, pause for a creative cadenza, etc., ), or that the rhythmic patterns can’t be changed (dotted crochets versus straight quavers, etc.,).  Understanding/executing it and chosing to change it are two different things.

So, I think you are doing a good job getting a grasp on understanding the rhythm.  And, your playing of this piece is sounding really great, too. smile

Characterize people by their actions and you will never be fooled by their words.

Avatar
Mark
Members

Regulars
March 28, 2022 - 12:16 am
Member Since: September 30, 2014
Forum Posts: 1658
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Katie M

Fantastic, great improvement for last  video!

Keep up the good work, playing this resonating box Called the fiddle is a life long work, and your doing great.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

Avatar
JohnG
Greater Chicagoland
Members

Regulars
March 28, 2022 - 12:36 am
Member Since: April 16, 2021
Forum Posts: 1315
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Coming along great, Katie! Seems like every video shows improvement, can't ask for much more.

The old curmudgeon!

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
March 28, 2022 - 12:44 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 4707
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@Katie M - 

Excellent on the timing,

getting some really good phrasing!  

Doing great with intonation, too!

HUGE improvement, overall!  

Time to celebrate all this progress!

 

Yeah, I think my brain would explode if I really thought about ALL the things we do together & at the same time - just to play the violin! 🙄

Don't burn yourself out - I believe it's a great tune to grow & experiment with.  

Bow tilting can help you fade out, but relax... I'm thinking straight bowing, with variable pressure & speed, are all priorities.   

...one thing at a time!

 

Down the road, if you get a chance, watch Fiddlerman Danny Boy - notice his bow never really stops flowing? 

Listen to anyone sing it, for ideas on dynamics? 

Keep heading down your road of discovery!  

- Emily

Avatar
Katie M
Members

Regulars
March 28, 2022 - 2:32 am
Member Since: December 8, 2020
Forum Posts: 510
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thank you so much for the comments I really feel encouraged.. I was feeling a bit flat and yes needed re charging stringy! I have been playing the d major scale a lot I’m so glad you can see a difference. I think because I see my playing everyday I’m not noticing an improvement. Thank you mark johng and abitrusty !! And Emily yes there is so much to remember I have been doing the bow tilt at the frog hopefully next time I post it might be there! Phrasing was something I hadn’t thought about so maybe that came in because I know the song pretty well now. I was thinking when you play you go somewhere and then come back … as in the notes. I’ll watch Fiddlerman’s Danny boy I didn’t know there was one ! And Sharon I get what you are saying about the pulse speeding up and slowing down and varying it,  something to think about.. I think I’m still very much on the basics . And mouse I’d love to hear your cello version. See how you vary it. Thank you all for listening I’m glad I posted it 😀😀😀😀

Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 696
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 74
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today reedc83, Fashionandfiddle
Upcoming anonkid, KindaScratchy, freesbee, paulinefiddle, Allenph, oneloudmime, MsJoy, ARCoyne, Gringo, Sandybourne, Ripton, Space., loveluach, husseinHr, Guido, A. V. Suvorov, Scrap, DennisS, JiminTexas, mcwey
Top Posters:
ELCBK: 4707
Mad_Wed: 2849
Barry: 2680
Fiddlestix: 2647
ABitRusty: 2526
Oliver: 2439
DanielB: 2379
Gordon Shumway: 2033
damfino: 2027
Kevin M.: 1973
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 3
Members: 31075
Moderators: 0
Admins: 7
Forum Stats:
Groups: 16
Forums: 79
Topics: 9810
Posts: 123526
Newest Members:
rj93329666
Administrators: Fiddlerman: 16040, KindaScratchy: 1759, coolpinkone: 4180, BillyG: 3741, MrsFiddlerman: 2, Jimmie Bjorling: 0, Mouse: 4054