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Another domo megoto Mr roboto
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So playing last night this felt relaxed but after listening back to it it sounds very robotic and not smooth.  I also noticed that even though I'm trying to, at least at the start, bow straight I end up getting all out of wack about half way through.  There's a few spots intonation seems off but overall I think it's ok.  Thoughts?

It might be LOUD.. So you might adjust for that at the start..dunno.  This is a tune by Lunasa called Heatons Chapel.  On their album they pair it with another tune called Autumn Child...I'm only playing Heaton Chapel here.  Their album is from 1998 I think. Im Embarrased to say how long Ive been trying to get this to about ehhhh...75% of full speed, if that.

https://youtu.be/MtLZrt9021c

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Overall, I think it sounds good!  

I agree that your intonation on some of the 3rd finger notes sound a little flat to me.  

I do not have the music in front of me to see, but I noticed there are not many slurs, which may account for some of the "robotic" or less smooth transitioning.  It seems to me that a piece that is this tempo may benefit from more slurs to mellow out and smooth the note transitioning a bit.

Other than that I like the piece.  The guitar sounds really good with it.  It balances the piece.

Just some thoughts.

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@pete_violin thank you for taking time to listen/respond and appreciate the feedback.   Youre right on the slurs and I didn't take any time to work out Bowing's.  Ive just been letting them happen wherever it felt right which as you said is an issue here.  This is one of those tunes that when I'm done or sometimes before I start practicing what I'm SUPPOSED to be working on I'll play with.  I know you have your own list of things youre working on but heres the link to the music.  What I played is a mix of the first and last tunes on the list.

Thanks again!

https://thesession.org/tunes/572

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Man I really like this tune combination and the way you played it Greg!

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Thanks Tim!. 

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I thought it sounded pretty good, and I enjoyed it!

Jim

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The Friends of the Sons of Liberty - Three Inspiring Young Men playing Early American Fiddle Music 

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@MoonShadows thank you Jim.  Had fun doing that and needed an excuse to clang chords..the other strings are getting dusty since the fiddle showed up.  Hows your studies going?

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Gregw,

Sounding good, I like that tune, were our own worst citric, I believe some minor polishing and you'll have it nailed.

Mark

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Good stuff @GregW!   I thought it was just fine, within the limitations you have identified yourself.  As Mark says, we can be our own worst critic, but the thing to do with that is to take what you have observed and use it as a challenge to make progress, and not to use it as an excuse to simply give up (not that you ever would of course!)

Well done thumbs-up

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Thanks @Mark  its definitely a work in progress as so much of learning fiddle is/will be.  Appreciate the feedback!

Thank you @Billyg and no danger of giving up..not even close.  Way too enjoyable.

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Hi there, there is so much to like about this but it is only natural to want to keep fine tuning the delivery.  I would say it sounds as if it's played as it's written in the music which makes it sound of an even tempo, while when it is played for dancers with 'bounce' Some notes would be given extra emphasis, and others shortened to define the rhythm even more.

This is an interesting tune for us fiddlers, because the main instrument on the lunasa version seems to be the uilleann  pipes.  The difference between a wind instrument and our strings, is that a run of notes can be flicked through, with a breath and other notes flicked in and out with the drop or lift of a finger.  For us to make decent tone, the string has to be brought into motion  with the hair of the bow, and so every new bow stroke has to commence that vibration.  As was said before, slurring notes helps with this, reducing the demand  for new bow strokes.

In this clip at 3.34 the group have brought along a recording of the irish pipes to play along with.  Look how hard the fiddlers are working to try and match the tempo.

Speed isn’t everything: in this version, they get going  around 4.32 but the fiddles are at a tempo that leaves a little space for the melody without dragging.

Happy playing.....

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Ive bookmarked the mooncoyne to come back to @pastelpainter .  thank you for that and explaining why im sounding as written which is what I was wondering.  Appreciate the videos..like I said I'm going to study the bottom one and try and add some lift.  Very helpful!

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Thank you for the posts @pastelpainter and of course - a belated WELCOME to the forum !  thumbs-up

Yes indeed to what you say, very much so, especially in a group and with other instruments, we have the opportunity to emphasize certain aspects - be it the beat, an 'off-beat', a specific instrument voice at certain times and so on.... And indeed, how different instruments may accomplish some of these aspects (while playing live, as distinct from a studio mix - it can be quite subtle)

Good info, even for those soloing - it makes you AWARE of flow, musical phrases, etc at a deeper level than just "it's 4/4 so down-beat/punchy/accentuate on the first note of the bar" or whatever - nah - it's not always like that at all....  indeed

My own guideline - (and I'm still very much "on my journey" with the fiddle - and I mean specifically for soloing, and for where I am at whatever level of ability I may have) is to "play it the way I feel it" ( and that is not necessarily the "expected or traditionally expected way" - which - well - yay or nay, can be either a good-thing or bad-thing as perceived by a listener - although I have no concern one way or the other LOLOL ) - but it surely does give whatever piece one is playing solo, some uniqueness and presence.

Thanks again, cool - enjoyed the videos very much !

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It's so personal how you interpret a tune and it's open to playing as one imagines it.  I believe this is how the music comes to life: once you get the basic melody in your head, adding ornaments or variations is expected, as long as they don't outshine the rhythm. GregW

Martin Hayes has a unique style and makes Irish music his very own, so I think you are on the right track by playing it as you feel it: BillyG 

Happy Playing...

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