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In order to perfect the timing, play along with any decent youtube video like those posted above and match their tempo and notes. violin-studentviolin_girl

If you are "off the sheet" then you know which notes are coming next and can now concentrate on the timing. thumbs-up

"If you practice with your hands you must practice all day. Practice with your mind and you can accomplish the same amount in minutes." Nathan Milstein

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@cdennyb

Thank you for your input on tempo.

I only post for critique tunes that I know by heart.  Unfortunately I learned this over a year ago.. so I had forget a bit of the timing and the accidentals.  I am so lucky that PKY reminded me... to double check the C#'s.

But I am refreshing those notes now and on my way to a better Minuet 1.

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Great progress Toni. I'm impressed. Keep up the great work!!!

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but the one who needs the least."

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@Fiddlerman thank you for listening.  I am getting excited that this is sounding better and better.   Thanks to your help and help from the forum member. 🙂

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Great stuff @coolpinkone!

Looking forward to seeing more of your progress 🙂

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Ok.. I think I am going to try it this afternoon.. we shall see.   Maybe on the EV.. 🙂

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@RedViolin  as promised...

I Should have had that tutor guy in my ear... Timing... And notes... But keeping it real here's where I am...  (Where's the Metronome Toni?????). 

http://youtu.be/YhQn10n9RQo

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@coolpinkone great stuff! Nice to see your new video Toni, well done! pink-violin-girl

I think you are very expressive when you play, and I can see that you use much more bow than I do, which is great. I learned a lot from watching you play about how I can be more "flowing" with my playing (at the moment I feel a bit like a cramped robot!)

Regarding the metronome, I found this was one of the bonuses of using an electric violin - I was able to set up my laptop to https://fiddlerman.com/fiddle-.....metronome/ and have that playing in the background, which wasn't picked up on the audio by having the violin directly plugged in to the computer to record sound. (I did have to put the audio and video back together afterwards which was a bit annoying and imprecise though as I don't have the most precision editing software...)

(As an aside, I found that Minuet 1 says "Alegretto" and then a dotted minim (I think you call this a dotted half note?) = 66. I found this a bit confusing and wasn't sure what to set the metronome to, but a musician friend suggested I practice with it set to 120 which seems roughly right... I'd love to know how to interpret this though)

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@RedViolin thank you.   

 

 I am thinkinking I need to get serious with the metronome or just give up this kind of music...  In all honesty I get nutty with the metro me clicking... But I need to get over it.

 

feeling frustrated after posting .. I hear the issues.... And I am hard on myself.

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 Sooooooooooooo .........  much better, Toni. Nice tempo now. Just clean up your intonation in a few places and I think you got it nailed.

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Don't feel frustrated Toni - I think it's great, and a big improvement! I know this probably means very little coming from me as a complete novice, but I think if you compare your two recordings, the progress you have made is apparent.

And I hear you on the metronome ticking driving you batty! I feel the same way. Not sure if this will help, but sometimes I just use the metronome for a while at the start and practice the opening 3 notes over and over with the metronome as a kind of warm-up to get into the rhythm, and then turn it off.

I've listened to your recording a couple of times and think you have a sweet sound and should definitely keep going - I agree with Ken, you're almost there, and the progress you have made is inspirational!! cheerleader (By the way, my husband heard your video too and agrees you're doing great!!)

Just wanted to add - I've been reading the playing notes in "Violin: An easy guide..." on Minuet, and the description "A minuet is a stately French court dance" made me think of your playing. I can really imagine the dancing when I listen to you, so I think that makes it a success!violin_girl

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@RedViolin 

thank you.   It's hard to put it out there... And hear the mistakes.   And yes... I will make a better one.

 

@Fiddlestix / Ken.   Thank you so much for your comments.  It means a lot.  Nite Ken ..

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Toni,

I agree whole heartedly with RedViolin and Fiddlestix, Great Improvement!! You looked much more relaxed and you were enjoying what you were playing. Which is why we play music, to touch not only ourselves but others.

Great job.

 

Mark 

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Thank you Mark.  I am thankful for help in this.    I think soon I am going to get it right... I know I miss the C#'s sometimes and my string notes need work.    I hear those off notes.  Thanks for listening.   I am excited that some of it is sinking in...thanks for all the help and comments hear.  It has given me reason to keep playing until I do it correct.

ive had some off forum help from members... You know who you are that helped me to understand a little about minuet and dancing.  

 

Thanks!!! Will work to get a better in soon!!! @Fiddlerman  ever thankful still for the video help and ongoing support.

I was actually enjoying myself at times!!!

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@BillyG I was hoping for some feedback from you as well as the others... Bad feed back is ok too.

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coolpinkone said
@BillyG I was hoping for some feedback from you as well as the others... Bad feed back is ok too.

Hia @coolpinkone !   Just back from an extended "working holiday" ( is there such a thing? ) and trying to catch up on things.

I hear a marked improvement, the effort is paying off.  Fluffed notes are relatively unimportant, and the point is, you play through them, avoiding the tendency to stop and correct, and indeed on occasion I'm sure I've seen you do small corrections on the fly - that's the way to do it.  Some well known violinist ( I forget who it was ) said, "of course my intonation isn't perfect, it's just that I correct so rapidly the listener is unaware of it"  ( or words to that effect ).   I also feel you pretty much have the rhythm sorted, albeit with a couple of deviations from the basic tempo.  Again, nothing too much to concern yourself about.  

When I encounter a "difficult" part in a piece - even just a few bars where perhaps either the fingering is defeating me, or the rhythm changes, I'll often score it up maybe with MuseScore or one of the other editors I have, put in a bass drum and snare as the "click" for timing and voice the melody line with piano rather than strings.  I will listen to that over and over - dozens of times - and sometimes if it is a REAL MEAN piece, I'll slow the tempo.  Eventually the "flow" sticks in my mind, and I'll then start to play along to it.  I do find that breaking a piece into sections like that really helpful.

As you already know, I do not play from sheet (although I largely understand sheet, I cannot play directly from it - but my sight reading speed is gradually improving) - so - eventually, I find myself in the position where I am in "automatic mode", and don't even have to specifically think about the notes to play - it just "happens" - leaving me free to concentrate on bowing, expression and dynamics.   I don't know how many iterations this takes really - but I would say it must be around 150 to 200 hundred attempts all the way through the piece before the actual tune and rhythm is "burned into my subconscious" (or something).

So, that's it - minor issues with intonation and timing.  Although I liked the expression you brought to the piece, I feel the bowing action could be a little bit more "precise" - well - I don't know enough to properly describe what I am trying to say here - but - that is just down to more, and more, and more practice!

The biggest "negative point" I have to make is that once again Toni, yes, once again my friend, you have caused me to have to learn yet another piece to add to my repertoire !!!!  Arggggghhhh !     Well done, and thanks for the post Toni ! thumbs-upthumbs-uppink-violin-girl

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Bill..thank you so much. 

I hear everything you said.  Will read again and play tomorrow. Thank you so much..

.miss you terribly.   Nice to see you.  

Minuet 1.. Not my favorite... Just the end of both Suzuki and Essentials book one.   If I can't play it then ... I can't seem to move on.

catch up soon!!! I Ben been working. On Ashokan with. Denny ... And Snow Deer on my own.  Xox..  Thanks again . 

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Hi, Toni,

Don't give up! There are time I got frustrated and wanted to quit, too, but hang in there, you will past the threshold!

I have problem with metronome, too. I could never play with it clicking. My teacher said, start slow and then speed it put a few bpm and eventually get to where you want to be. I am still working on that, in fact, I need to get a good and loud metronome 😛

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Thank you Pky.

I have been excited now about Minuet 1.  It was never my favorite...but as I start to get the tempo a bit... I am getting a sense about the song and I like it more and more. 😉

....my metronome still sleeps... and I know that just sucks for my progress...

But I am feeling good over all about Minuet now.   Thanks for listening.

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coolpinkone said
Thank you Pky.

I have been excited now about Minuet 1.  It was never my favorite...but as I start to get the tempo a bit... I am getting a sense about the song and I like it more and more. 😉

....my metronome still sleeps... and I know that just sucks for my progress...

But I am feeling good over all about Minuet now.   Thanks for listening.

Toni, I am glad you are excited about it now. When you play it over and over again, you will have new interpretation and new understanding about that piece. And, if you get frustrated with it, stop, play some other pieces, let it sit for several days and then come back to it with new eyes. You will see a difference....

Like I said, you could dance to minuet in three steps, 123,123... (After all, minuet is a dance music) that's what my daughter does when she has to get the right tempo or march to the beat. It really helps her, but not me -- I can't dance and I can't count when I dance, I could march, but sometimes I am still off at tricky spot especially with dotted notes. I blamed it being a lefty -- I felt like I never count when I play because I didn't start that way:((

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