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Anyone Ever Take the Off the String Ball End Winding Cord?
I want to investigate the "Senza System" and need to remove the winding cord on the ball end of violin strings.
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Hello all.  This is Irv.  I want to investigate the "Senze System" in which the after length of a violin string vibrates to a different interval than normal.  I am going to use a 3/4 sized tail piece on a 4/4 violin.  The second part of the system calls for removing the ball end winding cord for the strings.  Has anyone done this without causing damage to the string?  Actually, I don't think that the system uses ball end strings but that is what I am going to use.  

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Obviously we have with E strings, but, I've passed the other strings through the ball shortening the intended string length by quite a bit. 🙂

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No, but I'm curious too. I've read about the Senza system, which seems to involve the idea that the wrappings on the string ends damps the strings. And so taking them off--but they don't tell you their "system"--lets the strings be more responsive. (Don't know if getting rid of the ball is part of the idea, too--probably they are not in favor of fine tuners!)

But then I wondered whether the wrappings are needed near the ends of our complex strings to keep them from coming apart, perhaps flamboyantly. 

So I have no idea.

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Hi Martha and Fiddlerman (and others).  

First to Fiddlerman's comment.  The Senza system relies in part on the use of a shorter tail piece, so removing the ball and making a loop through the string holes to secure the string to the tail piece is counter productive.  I am sure that they use some sort of projecting pin either under the tail piece or projecting part way through the string holes.  For now, I am retaining the ball ends on the strings.

Now to Martha's comments.  I utilized a 3/4 tail piece on a 4/4 violin and commented on it in the thread regarding the Mendini MV 650 (page 4).  A duplicate of the picture is provided here.  I am thinking of passing the string wrappings through an alcohol flame but I used perlon (nylon) strings on that violin and I don't want to damage the core material.  

I think that the wrappings is strictly used as a reminder of what brand of string is being utilized, and has no structural significance.  

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Wouldn't it be just as easy to use a light weight harp style tailpiece, to achieve the same effect?

With violins there is no fretting over the music.

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Hi OldOgre (and others).  I have harp style tailpieces, and the effect of using a 3/4 on a 4/4 violin has a much increased effect.

I had a second look at the Youtube video of the Senza system and she is using conventional ball ended strings (and a piccolo fine tuner on the e string).   

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