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Issue With Frog
Don't leave your bow where your brother can get to it...
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IntelJohnny
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Hi All:

Does anyone know if there is an easy repair that a mere human can do with a frog that isn't flush with the stick? Or does it need a trip to the luthier? If I tighten the screw, it does not tighten smoothly.

I think my brother may have mucked around with my bow while I was rescuing my laundry from the laundry room.

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So right now, the bow that my mom bought me is just sitting ion my case.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time

 

John

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@IntelJohnny -

Hope this is all you need!  😊

 

 

 

You can order bow eyelets from various online vendors but be aware there are different thread pitches available. If you KNOW your thread pitch, it’s easy to buy the right one…but if you don’t have a thread pitch gauge then order an eyelet with a new screw so you’re certain they match. When you order them together, you’ll replace both the eyelet AND the screw.  

 

🤔... good thing to remember - if you ever get rid of a bow, save the frog & screw for parts! 

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@elcbk et al:

Humm... I took the tightening screw out completely and then put it back together - might have been apart for 10 seconds - and it's almost like the eyelet is against the tip end of the slot or the hair is a little short or the eyelet is in the wrong position. How my brother screwed up the bow is a puzzler.

Maybe a trip to a luthier is in the cards; but if anything else comes to mind, I'm all ears!!

John

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@IntelJohnny -

Sorry, thought the 2nd video, starting at 03:20 - described fixing a gap like you had.

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@elcbk et al:

I got interrupted while watching the second video. 

Thanks for the time point, I'll check out the fix and try it when I'm sufficiently caffeinated.

Will report back.

Thanks for your time

 

John

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@elcbk et al:

After twisting down the eyelet I've got the frog flush with the stick. The next thing I noticed is that when I tighten the bow, it tightens very quickly and then gets harder to tighten (No, I don't torque on it - the bow still has it's camber), and when loosening the bow, the hair doesn't seem to loosen as much as my other bow does. Might do a little more Google-ing, maybe my luck will be better, but if not, I think that a trip to the luthier may still be in the cards - the bow has a lot of sentimental value.

John

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That's at least some good news - you got the frog flush! 

It's a very beautiful frog & screw cap.

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The next thing I noticed is that when I tighten the bow, it tightens very quickly and then gets harder to tighten (No, I don't torque on it - the bow still has it's camber), and when loosening the bow, the hair doesn't seem to loosen as much as my other bow does. 

 

I have the same issue tightening/loosening a couple of my bows... I'll be very interested in what you find out about it.

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@elcbk et al:

My mom bought it for me before she passed. I was showing the bow to my sister on a website and I think she told my mom that I liked it and it was ordered for me. (I'm not good enough to actually need to try a bow. I'm sure a really cheap one would work just fine for me :-))

As for the tightening/loosing problem, I read somewhere that the hair might have been installed in a climate different from where it's used. Don't know if that's true or not, but I guess I'll find out. There is a luthier that'll do 'while you wait' re-hairs, so I'll get myself there and report back.

 

John

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@IntelJohnny Just throwing this out there

https://www.thestrad.com/luthe.....32.article

Read this article. There is a section about the eyelet, caught my eye because you mentioned your eyelet, and keep reading after that. It isn't very long. 

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@Mouse et al.

I read the article and I understand the weather issue. I'm about 30 km west of Toronto, Ontario and here it is, March 7 2024 and there is no snow. (When I wore a younger man's clothes, I can remember stomping home from school with snow up to my knees) When there has been snow, we may have got 5 cm, it's gone in the next couple of days. So the air has been really dry. I've got a Stretto humidifier in my case, but if the hair was too dry (or damp), I would believe that both bows would be affected by the humidity. They are both Dörfler bows.

I just had a neat idea. I wonder if Fiddlershop can fix my bow in a couple of hours? I think I've got some airline points to burn. Down and back on the same day? Get out of Toronto for a bit? Maybe Michael O'G can point me to a great taco shop?

John

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@IntelJohnny What better reason for a trip?

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There are two issues.

1. Reinstalling the frog can affect string tightness - unscrew it completely and then put it back on pushed as far toward the tip as possible before screwing in the screw.

2. Just because the hair is tighter than it was before doesn't automatically mean it's too tight - it's OK  for the slack to be taken up, just make sure it's not under tension. Although if it's an expensive wooden bow, there's more need for caution here. I'm not a fan of ultra loose hair, as it can get caught in things and torn.

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