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Looking for a source for “rope” trim
Picked up another mosaic
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AA83BAEA-62F4-4947-954B-7EF049689566.jpegImage Enlarger9F42ADCD-B379-45D2-9962-E46F7AAB701D.jpegImage Enlarger1E466F57-72A4-47D8-A9EE-245D5410A68D.jpegImage Enlargerpicked up another mosaic project. Very nice looking border but is missing probably 5-6 inches of border.  Needs fingerboard and trim.  Neck is separated.  To make the trim by hand would be countless hours.  Still waiting on my new fingerboard to finish the last mosaic project.

 

@bocaholly , did you ever get your mosaic up and running?

 

this one is going on hold for awhile

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Hi @steveduf and others.  What you are looking for is rope guitar binding.  Make sure you add guitar or you will be taken to odd corners of the Internet best left unexplored.  I would remove existing since getting a perfect match is beyond luck.  Gurian Instruments has a very attractive koa/maple/rosewood rope binding for $45/bundle. 

Procedure to make your own binding are in American Luthier #45 and #100.  Also in “Classical Guitar Making” by Bogdanovich. 

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Thanks @Irv  

That was too easy,  learned something new. Again.  

I am thinking about salvaging from one side and fixing the other but I’m afraid the existing is loose somewhat everywhere.  Is the American luthier available online?

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Easy for you.  I am searching the medicine cabinet for boric acid to rinse out my eyes.  You are on your own as to the Luthier magazine articles.  

Take care in putting that stuff on a violin because all that glue will make it delicate.

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And to the binding joke, lol

dozen years or so ago I made an end table from wood reclaimed from a beavers feed pile.  I wanted to etch a scene on a piece of glass for the top.  I searched “beaver pictures” ... I clicked on the first one tagged exotic pictures of beavers...

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groan... and double groan... and here I am thinking I've been following a couple of talented inventors with engineering creds! Shocked... I'm shocked!

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steveduf said9F42ADCD-B379-45D2-9962-E46F7AAB701D.jpegImage Enlarger

@bocaholly , did you ever get your mosaic up and running?

I did (or I should say, Felix at Fiddlershop did) and I owe you a report. Lovely job... and resulted in an interesting sound. I already mentioned that I installed the Knilling pegs myself. Felix did a top notch job on a new fingerboard, nut, bridge, sound post and selected a petit harp tailpiece which works nicely. Someone, at some point, had done a bogus repair job with epoxy on the ribs right around the saddle. Felix was able to make that mess nearly disappear. 

The body is full sized, the neck seems to be the size of a 3/4 so in the end, I'm dealing with a 7/8 sized violin string length on a nice, svelt neck. Very player friendly with an action just high enough to keep the G string from buzzing. 

I promise a comparative recording against my main Sima some time in the not too distant future

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@bocaholly 

All I could think of is cutting hundreds of little pieces...

I have no engineering creds, but I’m a firm believer in the “necessity is the mother of invention” concept. 

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Well @bocaholly, everyone knows that engineers are kids that never grew up.  I bought loads of Radio Shack T Shirts when the company finally went out of business for $2 each.  I have a bi daily alternation with a Simpson “I dress myself” shirt so people will not reach the conclusion that I have worn the same shirt for five years running. 7F2958C2-5C7F-4C70-9835-8151AEA1CA76.jpeg

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steveduf said
And to the binding joke, lol

dozen years or so ago I made an end table from wood reclaimed from a beavers feed pile.  I wanted to etch a scene on a piece of glass for the top.  I searched “beaver pictures” ... I clicked on the first one tagged exotic pictures of beavers...

S.A.Y.   N.O.   M.O.R.E.  

Immediatley heard Lieslie Nielsen in Naked Gun movie.

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Hi @steveduf and others.   I have spent some time looking at videos.   If you have access to a table saw and perhaps a band saw, I think it possible to make your own binding.  I would get a thin kerf 8 inch diameter skill saw blade to waste the smallest amount of wood possible.  

Select boards of species reflective of existing rope element colors (assume maple or birch for light and cherry or walnut for dark).  Rip to match height of existing binding.  Plane or sand top and bottom surfaces to finish dimension.  Dye to match existing binding.

Tilt table saw blade 45 degrees (or to match existing binding) and use veneer jig (easy to make) to produce rhombus ended sticks of about 4 inches in length.  Glue up alternating sticks (avoid gluing end surfaces) starting with a dark stick and ending with a light stick and compress between wax paper.  Cut to required width on table saw or band saw.  Extend length if necessary using glue.

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@Irv 

i have every kind of saw and planers and sanders, they are just too big for the minute pieces,  also I did a preliminary cleaning and  noticed there were two small layers of veneer against the top also.  I think I will cut all the small pieces with the small cross cut in a home made miter box and install it meticulously.1F995A26-DBCE-416F-A386-F7D0EBA991C0.jpegImage Enlarger

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The binding is likely 3/16" to 1/4" high.  It should be easy to achieve that dimension on a table saw.  You will need a zero clearance table insert5398EF73-ED24-4EA8-871F-8D20BB16842A.jpegImage Enlarger for saw table (I make mine out of cedar) so that the tooth pick sized rope segments will not be lost.  Do not think of tiny segments.  Think of alternating wood colored rhombus blocks cut into binding strips after glue up.  Commercial operations use standard sized equipment so you should be able to duplicate their efforts.      

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Here’s a pic of the width and height of two segments, about 1/16 the one way8F008E05-20D4-41D7-ADEC-0C10E50A866E.jpegImage Enlarger06EE6B1E-5EAC-47BA-8827-02B01FBE1F52.jpegImage Enlarger

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This violin also has a laminated fingerboard and walnut colored pegs.  Going to order a new set of fittings also CA1A9164-A342-4279-B441-96EE040EDF3E.jpegImage Enlarger53A00B3A-9A06-46DE-B3E5-16F429EA3980.jpegImage Enlarger

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Another photo.  I still think it could be done.5DB60068-C02B-4D8A-8338-296A71E9F4F1.jpegImage Enlarger

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 I think it can be done also, by the way I like that picture, but I think I need to fabricate95CACA9F-3AC1-4173-A7F4-B99EC3AC1072.jpegImage Enlarger a mini table saw and use one of these 2 inch blades on either my Foredom or a Dremel with a variable speed pedal 

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You might want to look at Harbor Freight item #61608.  Provided 4 inch saw blade is useless, but a suitable carbide tipped blade is inexpensive.  Once veneer is created, slicing “tooth picks” can also be accomplished with a fret saw if angle can be established with a guide block.  You might also look at making a planing guide similar to that used in making split bamboo fly rods.  We can do this without you going blind in the process.C689B3CC-FCC9-47A8-99CE-520CB51B6573.jpegImage Enlarger

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bocaholly said

I already mentioned that I installed the Knilling pegs myself. 

You get a DIY badge. Yeeeee Haaaaaa!!!!!dancing

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