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I'm guessing they are some variety of "geared pegs", but I've never seen anything like these.

Here are some that FiddlerShop sells.

https://fiddlershop.com/produc.....olin-viola

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12.27.1-French-polish-finish.jpgImage Enlarger12.27.2.jpgImage Enlarger12.27.5-Too-small.jpgImage Enlarger12.27.4-Too-big.jpgImage Enlarger12.27.1-The-problem-with-saddles.jpgImage Enlarger12.27.3.jpgImage EnlargerWell found some exciting peg info.  These are Becker patent pegs, patented in 1884 or 86.  On them I found "patent applied for" so they seem to be over 136 years old.  Cool!

I did a French polish which I LOVE!  It gave a soft glow that highlights the beauty of the wood without it being so shiny.  

Now on to saddle woes!  The space where the saddle goes is too big!

 

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@Georganne 

Congratulations, you get a DIY badge! Nice work.

Cello and Viola Time! 

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@Georganne -

Wow!  You are amazing!

Looks like you'll be an expert by the time you finish this project.  Definitely had more than your fair share of obstacles to learn from! 

Very cool about the pegs - and love the finish. 

I do have a question about the finish you did.  I remember back years ago, when I did artwork for some interior decorators, one had some furniture that had a "French Polish" finish, but it was extremely glossy and deep.  I was told told it was a very lengthy process of many layers.  Did you find a special product to use?

Thanx again, for sharing all of this with us! 

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cup-images/paulineblack/large/cup249326_923.jpg

 

- Emily

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The fiddle is coming along nicely. Nice finish.

Looking at your pictures it looks like the length (long side) of your saddle gap is around 1.6+ inches and somewhere around 0.3" or less.

This place sells a saddle blank that might be a closer fit than the one you have.

https://www.stewmac.com/luthie.....addle.html

Or maybe Fiddlershop can help you out with a blank that fits (with a bit of coaxing).

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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@Georganne 

Congratulations, you get a DIY badge! Nice work.

Yay!  How exciting.  Thanks!

ELCB said
@Georganne -

Wow!  You are amazing!

Looks like you'll be an expert by the time you finish this project.  Definitely had more than your fair share of obstacles to learn from! 

Very cool about the pegs - and love the finish. 

I do have a question about the finish you did.  I remember back years ago, when I did artwork for some interior decorators, one had some furniture that had a "French Polish" finish, but it was extremely glossy and deep.  I was told told it was a very lengthy process of many layers.  Did you find a special product to use?

Thanx again, for sharing all of this with us! 

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cup-images/paulineblack/large/cup249326_923.jpg

 

- Emily

I did the French polish with Zinsser's Traditional Finish and Sealer, amber.  I got it at Lowes... 

I mixed about two tablespoons of varnish with about a teaspoon of alcohol.  I didn't measure exactly.  And I used olive oil.  Then I used a tshirt square with a tiny bit of varnish and put alcohol on it to spirit off the oil afterwards.  It was originally very shiny, too shiny for my taste  But the spiriting off with alcohol removed some of that and gave it a nice satin finish.  

Here is a nice quick video that shows how it's done.  At minute 6, he shows how to apply the oil.   

 

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The fiddle is coming along nicely. Nice finish.

Looking at your pictures it looks like the length (long side) of your saddle gap is around 1.6+ inches and somewhere around 0.3" or less.

This place sells a saddle blank that might be a closer fit than the one you have.

https://www.stewmac.com/luthie.....addle.html

Or maybe Fiddlershop can help you out with a blank that fits (with a bit of coaxing).

  

I'm really trying to do this without too much out of pocket cost (since I am currently unemployed).  I called my semi local wood store and they have ebony that they sell by the pound.  I don't need a pound obviously so hopefully he'll sell me 2 inches hahahha.  I'll report back later if I get some, then I'll custom make my own saddle.  Should be fun huh?  

 

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You are welcome, Geroganne.

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that finish is beautiful, love the flames, its incredible, can I ask a question, are the fingerboards the same size on all full size violins?

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@Georganne -

Thanx for the info.  

I'll remember that - cause I really like it! 

So exciting, like a serial... waiting for the next chapter! 

 

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- Emily

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stringy said
that finish is beautiful, love the flames, its incredible, can I ask a question, are the fingerboards the same size on all full size violins?

  

I didn't know the answer but it seems so.  I know there are different thicknesses as I saw some youtubes where the finger board was very thick and needed to be thinned down.  I measure 10.5" for all three fingerboards I have in the house.  

 

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Ok here's where I need your help.  Does anyone know what these types of pegs are called?   I'm trying to do some research on them and don't even know what to look for.  @Fiddlerman ?

 

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Well I found info on a luthier board.  Becker patent pegs, patented in 1884 or 86.  Stamped on them is "Patent applied for" so I assume they are older then 1886.  Wow that was pretty intimidating!  

 

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The end pin hole was wallowed out so much bigger then any end pin so I took it down to my local music mart and he found a ukulele end pin that was too big and gave it to me!  This is how far it went in at first.

 

 

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After twirling it in sand paper for about half an hour my fingers started getting sore so I tried to put a cushioning of tape around the end.
 
 
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That didn’t last so I tried a thick rubber band. By now I feel like I’m getting blisters.
 

 

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So then I tried putting band aids around the spots that were getting sore.
 

 

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They were too slippery so I put a glove over the top. Bingo. That worked great. My fingers were still sore for a couple of days afterwards!  I also started switching between sand paper and scraping/carving with a box knife.  Wish I had started that much earlier!
 

 

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Ohhh progress.
 

 

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Taaa daaaah!
 

 

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Second attempt at creating a saddle. I got this piece from Superior Woods here in Fairbanks. It is called Sapele. It’s a hard wood. And only $4 instead of the $40 it would have been for a small piece of ebony.  The first attempt didn't work and popped off when I was trying to tune it.  
 

 

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Glued it in but then had to carve it down some more so it didn't stick out so much at the end pin and round off the edge a bit.  That part was actually pretty easy and so satisfying.  

 

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Now to fit the bridge.  I used the bridge on my daily player to give me the beginning shape.  Carved and sanded.  
 

 

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Sanding to get the proper curvature of the top of the fiddle.
 

 

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Almost ready to put it all together! Time for a cup of coffee.
 

 

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The original had an unseen crack in it and when I went to string her up, strings went flying. Eh best laid plans.  I just happened to have a spare!
 
 

 

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Chin rest going on.
 

 

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Chin rest is installed and she is stringed up. I’m letting the strings stretch and then will have to retune again, for the 5th or 6th time while I eat dinner. These pegs are a lesson in patience. Think I will trade them out for regular ones at some point soon.
 

 

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My kiddo is acting crazy in the background because he wants to be a Youtube star!  

 

 

And once again, my text is not lining up with my photos correctly.  I don't know why but I'll try and figure it out later!

 

Opportunity is often missed because it wears suspenders and looks like hard work.

 

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@Georganne -

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DitcQIQBFG8/UWAmW-h8iaI/AAAAAAAAK9s/oAFxT8sQ2-o/s1600/WooHoo.gif

 

Pretty Fabulous, Georganne! 

I'm sure you'll enjoy it much more after you put your shoulder rest on. (lol)

I'm curious, you bought strings to put on without knowing how this violin would sound after all your work - feel like you might want to try any other strings? 

Celebration time! 

 

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Thanx for answering all my questions! 

- Emily

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@Georganne -

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DitcQIQBFG8/UWAmW-h8iaI/AAAAAAAAK9s/oAFxT8sQ2-o/s1600/WooHoo.gif

 

Pretty Fabulous, Georganne! 

I'm sure you'll enjoy it much more after you put your shoulder rest on. (lol)

I'm curious, you bought strings to put on without knowing how this violin would sound after all your work - feel like you might want to try any other strings? 

Celebration time! 

 

https://images.says.com/uploads/story_source/source_image/641348/b4d1.gif

 

Thanx for answering all my questions! 

- Emily

  

No, I've tried several strings over the years and really like these best.  Oh yea, I also sanded the bridge a lot flatter then I am used to in order to play double stops easier.  It took several days to get used to that but it only took this last week to adjust to it. 

 

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I've just started on number two!  It took a lot of time to double post here so if you want to follow my progress on this one, you'll have to go look at FB.  I've made it public so you don't have to FB friend me. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/media.....7066640697

 

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Great job Georganne,
Congrats!!!

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