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Warped Neck Violin Storage Locker Find
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Irv
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This should be interesting.  Just purchased a cheap violin that appears to have a warped neck.  Unfortunately 3/4 size.  I have had success in routing in a cf truss rod in a electric violin, so I will have a go a this one.  Steve can’t have all of fun.  Plan on giving to student when complete.

Looks like warp occurred before placement in storage locker, but who knows.20806BAC-726C-40FA-AFC3-9B4BE91F0F0A.jpegImage Enlarger571BFE4B-37E9-4C34-9301-EA230E13A31C.jpegImage Enlarger

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Warped? It looks like a giant version of my cat got its claws on it!

Good luck... I'll tune in for the second episode when you get to it 🙂

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Hi @bocaholly and others.  Fingerboard is held onto neck with multiple wraps of package tape.  I should be able to remove that with naphtha (lighter fluid).  Comes in a nice case in need of a new handle (easy repair).  

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That will be interesting, I wouldn’t have tried this one

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Is it cheap because it didn’t cost much or cheap the other way.  Sure has a nice flamed back

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The cf truss rod is 1/8” by 5/16.”C1D5DB72-162D-4653-B98D-8356BE2F4873.jpegE39085F4-8431-4ECC-AAC6-1D91C092D167.jpeg

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Hi @steveduf and others.  An excellent model of a well made import that I purchased because of shrewd negotiation with seller (best offer can be a wonderful thing for the truly ambivalent).  The case is not original to the violin, or the violin is a very early example using a case that I have not seen before (this has already happened to me).

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January 20, 2019 - 9:51 am
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Take off the fingerboard, heat the neck enough for it to bend, glue the fingerboard back on with blocks and clamps on both sides to keep it straight until it's dry. You should be fine.
Good luck!!!

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Hi @Fiddlerman and others.  Good catch.  The neck profile on this violin is much shallower than standard (which would be excellent for a small hand player), so it offers less string tension support.  It looks to me like the fingerboard came off and the tape was applied instead of glue.  The neck, without the strength provided by the fingerboard, was no match for the strings.

I removed the strings and will apply an electric laundry iron to apply heat to the neck, then clamp to a granite plate.  If OK, I will glue fingerboard.  I have cf truss rod material so that will be used as a back up.

The violin came in a nice Eastman 4/4 rectangular case, so I got a bargain even if the violin is a loss.

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I'd be surprised if a CF truss rod was stiff enough.

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Gordon and others.  Of the cf truss rod, I have no doubt.  

To clarify, the image provided above is a diagram showing the approximate size of the truss rod when used in a guitar neck.  The depth of the rod will be over half the extent of the violin neck.  Overkill, but effective.

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I have another data point!  Looked at my storage locker “Violin” to find that it is actually a 13 inch body viola strung as a violin.  Rosewood fittings and fingerboard.  One piece belly plate and a two piece back plate.  The back plate has 4 “precautionary” cleats along the center line, which I have not seen before but like.  Fine tuners are very heavy and will be switched to a single piccolo fine tuner on the e string.  

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I’ve got a few with “precautionary” cleats.

amazing how many are listed wrong and I also bought one that had the original receipt and it said it was a violin strung as a viola.  I switched it back

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Hi Steve.  The bow was left tightened and there is a 20 degree bend at the grip point.  It appears that the case bow holding fitting acted as a fulcrum point.  At least that’s my story and I am sticking to it.  

The tape came off cleanly on the neck portion, but I have a little work to do on the fingerboard.  

Research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I’m doing.  —Werner von Braun

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.         —Frank Zappa

Experience is a difficult teacher, it gives the test first and the lesson after.

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