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Isn't bluegrass pretty much high speed by definition?
I can't see it being suitable for us.
I'd have thought a slow Piazzolla piece would be best, but the problem would be acquiring an arrangement - probably impossible to do it for free without a huge amount of work by Pierre.
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Compared to game of thrones i think something like over the waterfall would be something fairly simple..especially if played slower which it can be and sound good. Its pretty much straight forward AABB. a waltz like midnight on the water sounds good with several violins. It looks like to me that the group projects are a little more advanced than those 2 basic melodies actually. I guess adding a higher tempo on waterfall and/or lots of double stops in either could make it more challenging, but those 2 sound good fairly slow to me. not a vote for either..just thoughts.
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AndrewH, Gordon Shumway, GregW - Thanks for the viewpoints - I edited the post.
GregW - think you're right about being able to step up the challenge for the more simple tunes!
I see this played in DDAD (Dead man's tuning), but here's the basic tune of your suggestion (can only feel good playing this), "Midnight on the Water" -
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Here's the updated list as of today--
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@ELCBK said.."I see this played in DDAD (Dead man's tuning.."
Its good in standard as well. Im under the impression Benny Thompson..the son of who wrote the tune...I think...played it cross tuned so thats probably why alot of the big recordings of it are in DDAD. plus it sounds great played that way..Jay Unger has a version. Theres also a pretty vrrsion out there played by Carrie Rodriguez with Chip Taylor on guitar. It doesnt sound like she Is cross tuned but I might be wrong. heres another thats more in a bluegrass style.
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Thanks for the video, GregW -
I looked, but couldn't find a good Bluegrass example for your suggestion - so I really appreciate that you did!
I think it fits the Fall "Harvest Celebration" mood...
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Well there are three threads started for the next project and I am too confused with the number and am just waiting for Pierre to decide which one he prefers and can prepare to fit as many of our abilities as possible 😳. Please, for the sake of my sanity, do not start another thread for the project after this one. We have not completed this project yet.
I would wait until Pierre starts a thread about another project, and then we can just reply to that one thread and not have three threads to contend with. This has been interesting to see all the possibilities, but for me, way too many suggestions.
Personally, the enthusiasm is neat to see, but I am just totally confused as to which ones Pierre can actually do up in a way that will be able to allow as many of our different levels as possible, so that as many of us who wish to participate, can participate.
I have to say, the suggestions have introduced a lot of nice pieces that I have never heard of. That was super. I am not a classical,person, but have heard some classical music, but most of the classical suggestions, here, I have never heard before. That was enjoyable, but too many suggestions for me.
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cid - did you change your mind about "People are Strange" by The Doors?
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Thanks to all who have helped to coordinate this so far! I'm not advocating for any particular piece, although I wondered if a general tune that's entertaining would be more appropriate this year than one that deals with the subject of death (like the Elfman). Given the world's COVID-19 crisis, titles or content of such tunes could appear tone deaf to potential participants, who might opt out of the Halloween group project. Perhaps a generally spooky, entertaining, or classic tune (like the Grieg, The Doors, or others) would appeal to a wide variety of people and could help to maintain a sense of inclusivity, which has been a hallmark of these group projects. Just a thought as the Halloween music selection process rounds the corner. Thanks again for spearheading this project--this means a great deal to people and is a much-needed distraction!
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ANYONE find anything here that you normally wouldn't think to be interested in learning to play or accompany (even if not for a "Group Project") but now might be? Or maybe interested in a simpler version
Could we please keep this forum section, Fiddlerman’s Group Projects, for Fiddlerman Group Projects only? It will be much easier to follow and that is the topic of this forum “room”. If you want your own group projects and project suggestions, please go to the Members Own Group Projects section, which is below this Fiddlerman’s Group Projects section. There, you can discuss projects you would like to start as your own group projects.
Thank you very much.
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cid - I edited my post. I'm only curious if other members are being inspired by these Group Project suggestions.
Please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm pretty sure Fiddlerman said he would be willing to work with any music suggestion "if" there were enough people interested.
So, how can we get more members of this Forum to talk about what they would like to try for a Group Project?
SharonC made a wonderful list of the suggestions from all 3 threads. Maybe you could suggest to her where that list would be best seen?
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We are good with new Fid Group Projects here. I was just thinking that starting to discuss new projects for the next Fid Group Project before this was decided on and completed was going to confuse things. Just a thought. That is what I thought was starting to happen 😁. I probably misunderstood. Like I said, I am just getting confused or maybe just info overload.
I am not sure how you can get more discussion. I think everyone who usually responds has been responding, so I don’t think you will find many more responses, or from many more different people. Maybe some newbies will read through the suggestions and chime in? So, I am not sure how to tell if people are interested.
Maybe Fiddlerman will be able to tell from the discussions. I would not want that job of choosing. Can you imagine? I suggest that maybe Fiddlerman, when he is ready, create a poll with just an option for members to select the one he or she prefers, and then go with the one with the most votes. I have no idea how to tell, other than that. Or just pick one he can do up to suit our abilities. Who knows, just glad I don’t have to.
I, for one, really like that list that was created. It is really helpful. I don’t see where it could be moved to, or why it would need to be. It is right in the section for the next project discussion. I really am pleased that list that was made. Very easy to see all the pieces that were discussed. Great job!
I also like caseclosed points, above.
I am just going to sit back and see what happens.
Oh, Emily, I just scrolled up and saw your question about People are Strange. 🤪, Sorry. I haven’t really changed my mind. I am just waiting and seeing what happens. As long as it is a piece I can do, does not really matter. If it is something beyond my abilities right now, not a problem. I can wait for the next one and wait for the finished video to see it. Either way, I love the Group Projects and have been watching the older ones now and then.
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Thank you all for your opinions & suggestions!
So far, in this thread, we have a few people interested in:
- "Hall of the Mountain King" by Grieg
- "Dead Man's Party" by Danny Elfman
- "People are Strange" by The Doors
Is ANYONE ELSE interested in ANY of the suggestions for an Autumn/Halloween Group Project?
WE NEED MORE THAN 3 VOTES FOR A PROJECT!
Thank you SharonC for making this great list of all the GP suggestions!
https://fiddlerman.com/wp-cont.....2020.pdf
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Since I'm one of those who have repeatedly said I'd be happy with anything, let me clarify: I was also among the few who would definitely play Pierre's last proposal. I did have reservations about whether it could be arranged to allow beginners to participate. I think the only problem is that Pierre presented the score a little prematurely, before he had done any arranging, and people got intimidated by the original version of the piece.
Here's the thing: I'm not going to support or oppose anything over anything else. Consider me a yes vote for everything. Whatever comes up, I'll play it, and I'll play it on short notice if necessary. I just don't think my preferences as an experienced orchestral player are that useful, because the most important thing is that everyone who wants to participate can play at least one of the parts.
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AndrewH - I'm sorry, I edited my post - sometimes I'm not very tackful.
I truly felt it was obvious you are one of the members who were not only very supportive of Fiddlerman's last GP proposal, but you were also very supportive when asked for suggestions!
I was only concerned about the members who say they want a GP but have been totally noncommittal when asked to make SOME kind of choice to help show support.
If everyone was truly supportive of Fiddlerman, then we should all commit to playing "Barber's Adagio" - I believe he put a lot of effort into making that work.
I'm sure it's mostly the case there are members who just don't understand that by being noncommittal it's made the whole process of trying to find some music (most of us can rally around), stagnant.
Fiddlerman asked for a rally of support, so that a project would be worthwhile doing (I can go back and find a specific quote if need be).
If the majority of members really DON'T want a Halloween project, why not rally around "Thaxted" more? "Thaxted" has probably gotten the most support overall!
Otherwise, if nobody really cares, I'm pretty sure Fiddlerman said he has a Christmas GP in mind. I'm positive we can all rally around that one.
I certainly don't want to cause bad feelings/ill will.
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No worries.
With the Barber Adagio, it seems to me like people misunderstood what Pierre meant when he posted the score, because people balked at playing a key signature with 5 flats, and even after it was transposed into an easier key, a bunch of people still seemed to think they would be expected to play one of the original parts (going far up the fingerboard) as opposed to a simplified arrangement.
It seems to me everyone who has suggested a piece wants to play something -- I would just go with anything that several people have voiced a preference for, and trust that people will be interested when it is posted. I notice that one of the main reasons for hesitance to commit to something is people being worried that they won't be able to play it. It's probably best to just go ahead and make the arrangement first so that everyone can look at it and see that it is playable.
I know that the Grieg can definitely be arranged to include beginners, because of the way my orchestra handled the side-by-side performance with the kids in our youth orchestra program. (The beginner/intermediate level group got simplified parts, the upper intermediate to advanced group played the same parts as the adults.)
"People Are Strange" should be a fairly straightforward arrangement too.
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I suppose I have one preference: something that hasn't been a Fiddlerman group project before. With so much music out there, I feel that repeating anything should be a last resort.
I know there are already a ton of suggestions... but what about an Ennio Morricone tribute? (I know it doesn't really fit the Halloween or autumn themes that we were thinking of before.) Gabriel's Oboe? The love theme from Cinema Paradiso? Both sound like they can be arranged without too much difficulty.
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Thanks for your efforts in trying to generate interest (and collating suggestions) @ELCBK - and thanks also to @AndrewH for your suggestions and clarifications about the "perceived difficulty level" - hopefully that will convince some "reluctant to commit" players to participate.
Pierre will always pay attention to the difficulty-level, and yes, an early draft (say from an already existing scored version) can possibly be off-putting to some - but that should be seen for what it is - a discussion starter. The final arrangement will sort all that out - the GoThrones project went through that cycle, so it's nothing new!
I have kind of kept a low-profile on this one ( I had given suggestions in another place relating to a possible project for Harvest Festival (early October UK) or Thanksgiving (late November US) ) as a kind of "well, it's sometime around halloween" project.
But, having been instrumental ( aye, pun intended! ) in various earlier attempts at raising interest in forum "Parties" (which seem to have died a death, sadly), I decided to leave it all to those who are truly enthusiastic about the next GProject and let them choose. (Oh, and indeed to give some of the newer active forum members a fair opportunity to contribute)
[ Oops - that may have come across wrong - don't misunderstand me - I am hugely enthusiastic, and similar to Andrew - I'll take part in anything - and if Vln 1 happens to be overly difficult for me, well, there are all the other, generally less demanding parts (but which are just as important to the overall arrangement) ! ]
Thanks to all who have been posting suggestions, it's appreciated! 
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - 
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
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Fiddlerman - is it too late for a Halloween Group Project?
- So far, we've got a handful of members specifically mentioning "People are Strange" (The Doors) for a Halloween GP. Up until now, this is the most interest we have for "one specific Halloween-type" tune.
- We also have a handful of members that mention along the lines they'd just like a Halloween Group Project (in general).
- We also have a group that mentions they'd be happy with ANY Group Project that Fiddlerman chooses!
- MANY members have offered their individual preferences for what they would like to play for a GP.
Fiddlerman - Is this just cutting it too close for Halloween?
Or, would it even be worth your time to try to set up a general "Autumn/Harvest/Thanksgiving" Group Project before Christmas? If so, might you have something in mind after what you've seen being discussed?
- Emily
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