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Gregory Alan Isakov with Colorado Symphony
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Older video but... I Got a kick out of watching Jeb Bows (the fiddler in band) let loose.  Saw them in concert this past fall and they way they had lighting setup i was afraid his bow was going to just disentegrate at one point.  hair from bow all over the place.   may have been for dramatic effect..dunno.  great show though.

 

like this one for the opening piano lines.   sounds.. idk.. light maybe. sounds like what time passing by would be if it had a sound.. 😄.. sorry..  anyway.  the sky scenery kinda cool too how they did it too.

 

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@ELCBK said
Like the music, love the clouds. 

Too much pressure with bow hair too loose can cause the hair to break, because it wears against the stick - impressive effect, though. 

I haven't been able to get any bow hair to break when playing HARD (I actually tried to see what it would take, after seeing a different fiddler/performance) - figured it might be prone to break near the frog, but I think stick 'firmness' makes a difference. 

 

"BUT, WAIT... wait... wait... wait... wait... 🤔... 'Great Performance' by a fiddler, or violinist (???)  I sure was looking for one, did I miss something? 😒

Sorry, hate to kill enthusiasm"

then why comment?   I think the music speaks for itself.  I think with the broad range of different types of music thats been shared on this site in the last few years...I could get a pass on this one dont yah think?🤨

Strings dont always have to be in the front...  they do well as Accompaniment .  Unless youre saying accompaniment cant be a great performance?

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I haven't been able to get any bow hair to break when playing HARD (I actually tried to see what it would take, after seeing a different fiddler/performance) - figured it might be prone to break near the frog, but I think stick 'firmness' makes a difference. 

It may be he is a little more intense in his playing.  idk.. 🤭

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I think accompaniment CAN be something to marvel at, especially when there is interesting improvisation... 'I' didn't feel/see anything here. 

I truly want to understand your point of view!  Why do you feel this is a 'GREAT VIOLIN' performance? 

I'm not ashamed to claim ignorance here... anything you can point out would be very helpful for me to learn.

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ELCBK said
I think accompaniment CAN be something to marvel at, especially when there is interesting improvisation... 'I' didn't feel/see anything here. 

I truly want to understand your point of view!  Why do you feel this is a 'GREAT VIOLIN' performance? 

I'm not ashamed to claim ignorance here... anything you can point out would be very helpful for me to learn.

  

so I do my best to find the correct topic to post in.   Probably shouldce just put in my random stuff from fiddle cave..

anyway.. the forum section title says...

"Share your experiences and tips about great violinists and fiddlers"

for the sake of discssuion I will refer to the experiences part as item 1...and the violinist or fiddler as 2

and I said...

"..I Got a kick out of watching Jeb Bows (the fiddler in band) let loose.  Saw them in concert this past fall and they way they had lighting setup i was afraid his bow was going to just disentegrate at one point.  hair from bow all over the place.   may have been for dramatic effect..dunno.  great show though.

So for item 1 it was the show I attended and item 2 is Jeb Bows.

I pointed out at first that the video was older, but shared that one for the visuals and because they play with The Colorado Symphony Orchestra.

Wanted to share those two just for sharing sake and not anything more.  Just some music I like and I would have elaborated further if I felt it was needed.  

sorry the post and share was confusing.  More times than not.. Ill share just to draw attention to particular pieces of music or artists and leave the rest for anyone interested to search out on their own.  Not always, but this for sure one if those times. 🙂

"..'I' didn't feel/see anything here"

fair enough.. and no problem with that at all...but at the moment there are 41 other people on the forum that may.

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@ABitRusty -

THANK YOU for explaining & making me take a closer look! 

Fair enough.  Jeb Bows does have a lot of showmanship - just wasn't that easy to see in that video. 

I can see him MUCH better in this spotlight of the concert! 

You may have not gone to the concert specifically to see Jeb Bows (and maybe wasn't the point of you sharing the performance), but I do think he is a wonderful fiddler.

...also, have a lot of respect for any artist who has overcome their struggle with addictions. 

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One thing they did as a band is usually, it seemed, instead of just stopping the music they would play almost an ambient type interlude.   Its hard to explain without sharing this snippet.  hopefully shows enough.  I cant remember what the prior song was but it leads into San Luis.   another of his hits.  Which is part of this too.  The lyrics of his songs.

 

again the visuals are something I always like on his official type videos.  Always something creative in addition to the music

 

Before the concert I couldnt have told you who Jeb was but he is such a big pqrt of their concert.   A real treat if you are close to go see them.   Funny..my wife came away a fan.  She sorta knew the sound and style of music since ill listen to it..but individual songs not so much.  After we left she was talking about how good it was and said she really liked the "ghost" song ( san luis )  and one off the new album called The Fall.

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@ABitRusty, thanks for sharing.  It must have been a great concert to see live.

I really like the spare, soulful sound of this, especially the last “ghost” song, “San Luis”.  

Great video, also.  Appreciated seeing the actual constellations speed by rather than just random digital dots.

I hadn’t heard of Isakov or Jeb Bows before.  After seeing the roster of all those years of world tours, I couldn’t figure how they got under my radar with all the festivals I’ve been to over the years.  Then, I read that Isakov is a farmer who doesn’t really tour in the summer!  Well, that explains it.  

Glad you introduced us to this music.  I’ve got an acoustic heart, and this fits right in.

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@Unfretted said ..." It must have been a great concert to see live"

It was great!   we will search out small venue type things...sorta dinner with live music kinda stuff but arent ones for full blown concerts.  But glad we went.  

"..Appreciated seeing the actual constellations speed by rather than just random digital dots"

yes!  Landscapes like that are for sure on the list to try and vist one day.  think it matched the music well.  im guessing it was in Colorado given the song title but havent checked.

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ELCBK said
Like the music, love the clouds. 

BUT, WAIT... wait... wait... wait... wait... 🤔... 'Great Performance' by a fiddler, or violinist (???)  I sure was looking for one, did I miss something? 😒

Sorry, hate to kill enthusiasm. 

Too much pressure with bow hair too loose can cause the hair to break, because it wears against the stick - impressive effect, though. 

I haven't been able to get any bow hair to break when playing HARD (I actually tried to see what it would take, after seeing a different fiddler/performance) - figured it might be prone to break near the frog, but I think stick 'firmness' makes a difference.

  

Was this necessary? This is literally the first post I see after being gone for a minute because people stopped posting,  and I'm met with your utter rudeness. If you didn't like it, fine, keep it to yourself.  This is the kind of nonsense that makes new players quit.

 I had planned on trying to catch up but right now I'm so disgusted that I'm afraid I'll see where you've done this to others and I will just smooth snap and tell you what I really think about your attitude and disparaging remarks. You had no business and no right, and you owe rusty an apology.  If you don't understand where I'm coming from or the importance of putting a stop to a cancerous attitude, then maybe you're in the wrong place.

Thanks for taking the joy out of my night. And by the way, you don't know what your talking about, not a clue. That's just the tip of my rudeness.

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Love the videos, @ABitRusty. The videos you make and share in your blog, and these videos posted here, provide so much energy to keep going with my violin, viola and cello.

I actually enjoyed the background fiddle. I didn't pay attention until these videos. They, along with the cello background that I mentioned in my blog, actually make the songs. They give them depth. This gives more depth and direction in your thoughts in playing these instruments. 

A piece does not have to be fiddle, violin, viola, cello as the lead instrument, I think it is good to post these videos where the listener has to listen and pick up on the nuances of these instruments. 

so I do my best to find the correct topic to post in.   Probably shouldce just put in my random stuff from fiddle cave..

This is a good place to post them and open them up to discussion on using your instruments to enhance, not just lead. I am happy these were psted here instead of your wonderful blog. We always tend to think the main melody. In my opinion, these posts are fine where they are.

Much appreciated.

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In line with my post above, ABitRusty, do you think the background fiddle parts are written and strictly followed, or a little freelance? I have no idea how these are done. But, I always think of fiddle music as being free-forum, to a point. It is very faint, but without it, I don't think the videos would be as good. 

With the slow drawn out bowing, ie Lead in to San Luis for instance, ABitRusty, do you consider that fiddle background or violin background? I was just curious where the line is drawn. 

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@Mouse said
In line with my post above, ABitRusty, do you think the background fiddle parts are written and strictly followed, or a little freelance? I have no idea how these are done. But, I always think of fiddle music as being free-forum, to a point. It is very faint, but without it, I don't think the videos would be as good. 

With the slow drawn out bowing, ie Lead in to San Luis for instance, ABitRusty, do you consider that fiddle background or violin background? I was just curious where the line is drawn. 

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oh i have no clue on that.  I suspect that the lead fiddler has his way of playing that was recorded and the band is used to.. and he can weave in and out of that as he feels.   based on however the night is going.. maybe the crowd or other bandmates.  im just speculating.

the orchestra i would guess has a written out set of music to go by.   

maybe theres someone in that or other orchestras that has backed this kind of group that could shed some light on it.  think it would be interesting to hear how that process works.

 

Ill add that I had listened to his new album and older ones 100s of times. I was impressed how closely they followed and sounded like the recorded version.   I know theres probably good and bad nights but they were perfect as far as i am concerned.

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Thanks. Maybe they are so comfortable with each other they know where they are all going. It just sounds so flowing in the background. Probably varies with each group. Orchestras definitely follow written music, maybe there are exceptions, but I am not swerving there. I really like this better than most orchestra pieces. 

If there are any guests who do this kind of playing, backup fiddle, please join the forum and share your experience and know how here. I am curious about this. Listening to these for the background has raised my curiosity because of my thinking that the fiddle performances, are quite often free-form or swaying from the written part and going off on a tangent, which I could be very wrong about.

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@Shane "Chicken" Wang -

I really do apologize. 

Thank you for making me aware that I forget not only that people stopping in don't know me, but can't see I regularly correspond with ABitRusty (and I hope knows I would NEVER intend to be mean or rude). 

You may not care for an explanation, but I know that ABitRusty wanted to share he loved a whole Gregory Alan Isakov performance he saw - it wasn't really about a violinist/fiddler.  It IS my fault my intentions were misunderstood.  I wanted to know why he chose the topic heading, "Great performances - Share your experiences and tips about great violinists and fiddlers" - to post it in. 

BUT I SHOULD HAVE JUST ASKED THAT.  So, I apologize.

Anyway, ABitRusty explained - so in the end, Jeb Bows was brought to my attention and I was able to find, in other videos, what a wonderful fiddler he is - all at the same time learning about Gregory Alan Isakov and the interesting type of performance he does!  

I will delete my post, but it's kind of a moot point once I've been quoted. 

 

@ABitRusty -

PLEASE accept my apology!   

I vow to stop obsessing over topic categories!  

 

...my intentions are to always foster thinking and learning - doesn't mean I'm great at it.

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@elcbk i know i confused you and im as much to blame for the way this went..  no need to apologize and sorry to everyone else who maybe thought Elcbk being rude.  if anything just a couple crankey old fiddlers here. and she is extremely helpful and active here.  

again..i shouldve just left it.  sorry to everyone

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