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Personally I think the judgement against having fine tuners on all strings is a lot of BS. I prefer four tuners built into the tailpice. I haven't looked into it much, but I've found videos of the following players using four fine tuners. Please add to the list or mention those who shouldn't be on the list. Also please mention any patterns you see regarding genre. If you are so inclined.
Violin and Fiddle Stars who use four fine tuners
I've got no problem with fine tuners on all four. I use them every day.
The only change that I'm likely to make is to move the fine tuners to the other end of the fiddle
I may leave a 'token' tuner on the E position of the tailpiece so that it looks like I know what I'm doing.
Seen it all. Done it all. Can't remember most of ..... What was I saying????
Well, that's Aus for yah - yer all ndsᴉpǝ poʍu and probably bow holding the tip! ( Yes, I saw it! LOL - cool! )
EDIT: and oh - well I can't pick other players - but I like the fine tuners. I guess it also saves long-term wear and tear on the pegs and peg-box holes - as far as the argument / discussion regarding the effects on the sound etc - well - my ears wouldn't be able to tell the difference, I'm sure. Once stabilized, I've never, in 4 months, adjusted the pegs on my EV, other than when I replaced the G for experimentation.... I've now had my FM Concert for about 5 weeks - and again - once stabilized and got the tuners to their middle position - again - never touched the pegs...
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh -
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
Fine tuners vs Peg tuning ? Really ? I can't believe one persons choice that differs from another persons choice is so debated and fault found with those who dare to make a choice for themselves ....
C'mon folks ...can't we all just agree to disagree and move on ...
I peg tune myself but have no lose of respect for those with fine tuners ...if a peg slips or sticks I look at it as an opportunity to fix it rather than rely on fine tuners and never gain the expertise to peg tune ...
At that , there are many folks who have no issues with peg tuning who still have and use fine tuners ...their choice ....
The only BS I can see is fault finding ...give it a break ...and move on ...leave egos at home ...
Playing violin is fun ....fun ....let's have more fun ...
I do think there is a prejudice on the fine tuners. I personally could give a hoot one way or the other.
I do know that I pick the violinist that I like the most and try to do what they do. My "peeps" "favs" are not in the lists above.
Ive got no beef with fine tuners... Or those that prefer them.
Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato
You can add Charlie Daniels to the list.
"Music is what feelings sound like." ~ Author Unknown
I don't recall seeing "judgement against having fine tuners on all strings", at least not on this forum.
Some folks prefer to have them, some folks prefer not to. That's a matter of choice. Convenience, aesthetics, liking the sound better one way or the other, your violin happened to come with them or not, and etc are all good enough reasons. A person with more than one violin might even have them on one and not another.
I have a carbon tailpiece with four built-ins on my electric and a plain ebony tailpiece with no fine tuners on my acoustic. So I guess I'd be on the wrong side of any "judgements", no matter what. LOL
Seriously, everyone's violin(s) is(are) their own dang instrument(s). Each violin is yours, and you are the one who is going to play it, so you can set them up any way you feel is good, any way you like.
I don't think that having a personal preference so far as fittings and etc is BS. If you like something better or it works better for you, it is not BS to follow that. It is a choice. Make your choices for yourself, for your own reasons, and enjoy them.
Really, isn't how we get the instrument in tune far less important than what we do with it once it is in tune? LOL
"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman
I personally find no problem with fine tuner's. In fact, I have "eight" fine tuner's on my, "FM,Concert Master" violin. There are four, "Knillings" in the peg box and four built in the stock (came with) "Concert Master" tailpiece. I tried using just the, "Knillings" with a regular ebony tailpiece which I ordered though, "Fiddlershop", but it shortened my after length, so I put the "Witner" t/p back on.
I'm not proud. The fact is, violin is hard enough to learn to play without any problem's, so why add tuning problem's.
I can see where a brand new player could get discouraged by not being able to keep the thing in tune.
@RosinedUp when you mentioned the "attitude" or what not about fine tuners. I knew exactly what you are talking about. I haven't seen it on this forum... but I do know that my violin friend partner, she has been playing for a long time, and oh yes she has a notion about fine tuners...and even the notion of the quality of the violin.. so I know what you are referring.
I didn't have examples of people who use them to add to the list as the people I follow don't have them.
I think the topic is a good topic for discussion.
Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato