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Hi, Mandolinist considering Fiddle
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April 25, 2024 - 3:34 pm
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I wanted to say hi as an introduction.  I play mandolin, not an ace but can hang out in a jam and play some breaks.  I like it because bluegrass jams are fun social activity.  But, I'm getting repetitive stress injuries in my picking hand and just cannot play near as much as I want without hurting myself (getting old suck, doc says tough noogies that's what can happen when you get older).  So I thought maybe it would be fun to dabble in fiddle.  Learning curve does seem a bit intimidating.  I know all the theory and can read notation, maybe pick out simple melodies by ear from BG experence.  The the notes are the same but have to learn to intonate without frets and of course to bow.  But hey, if I could learn to drone or play a simple rhythm in time and in tune, that'd be enough to survive at a novice or intermediate BG jam.

I wish I knew someone local I could borrow a fiddle from for a few weeks to see if I'd like it.  I don't want to rent as a three-month rental might be $100-125 and if retain interest, I'd want an entry level instrument.  I'm wondering it it's worth taking the plunge on a $300-400 starter instrument and if I lose interest, sell it for the price less what a rental would cost me.

Any advice for a potential beginner?

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April 25, 2024 - 3:47 pm
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Welcome to the forum, @l2t 

I don't know where you live, but have you checked to see what Fiddlershop has tp offer? They have a lot of violins in different price ranges and may be able to help you. The forum is owned by the owner, but is not directly connected, so as far as details in purchasing options, check with Fiddlershop. 

I hope you don't mind. I moved your post from Mandolins to the New Members section. Also, check your email, I sent you a Welcome email with forum information.

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I will tell you now you won't lose interest, its addictive, won't lie though its extremely difficult to play fiddle and anyone who tells you different is pulling your leg.

I played guitar, mandolin and loads of other string instruments for many years and took up the fiddle as a challenge to prove to myself I could do it, never realise just how hard it is, but I persevered and can now knock a tune out.  Not brilliant but to me it's a great success just getting a sound out of it.

Get a fiddle, you will get angry, frustrated, annoyed but ultimately love it and never be able to put it down.

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l2t

Welcome to the forum, good luck on your decision and fiddle journey,  I believe you'll enjoy playing the fiddle, looking forward to see your progress. 

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

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@l2t -

6ffbfd59f09686b5fa61456dbbb0a4dc.jpgWelcome to the forum! 

You need a relaxed bowing hand, so sounds perfect for you... even comping will be easier on your hand & arm! 

If you find ANY Fiddle/Violin music you like, you won't want to give it up - this is the most FABULOUS time to learn to play with so much help available! 

- Emily

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April 26, 2024 - 8:52 am
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By the way, @l2t, do not forget Fiddlerman's excellent tutorial videos, exercises, free downloadable sheet music, etc. They can be found in the menu bar above the forum. 

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@l2t

I’m self-taught on guitar and mandolin, started fiddle three years ago. I now play fiddle and mando -- they are complementary and reinforce each other very  nicely.

I started with a gift Scherl & Roth student violin. These are made for beginners and are available on eBay for ~$100. It’s a good way to start while you figure out (a) if you want to carry on and (b) what kind of longer-term middle might be good for you. Beyond the beginner level, buying a fiddle is an involving and interesting challenge because, unlike guitars and mandolins, every violin is unique. Gotta try ‘em and compare. I keep my beginner fiddle for just-in-case use.

Bows are just as important. I tried several before I found one that I liked. 

A good set up on violin is just as important as on mando. Experience setting up mando is helpful, but the fiddle bridge is way more diffiult . Violin strings are low tension and easier to work with. Tuning pegs on cheap fiddles are aggravating but fine tuners help.

It will be good if you can get a few beginner lessons. Basic mechanics take time to work out on your own and you end up with some bad habits to unlearn. Ergonomic issues can be very challenging -- repetitive motion injuries are very common with fiddlers. I tried multiple chin and shoulder rests and now play pain-free without a shoulder rest.

Comments above are all correct. This forum is a good resource with interesting and helpful people at various skill levels. Fiddlershop is a class operation with outstanding customer service. Good people.

Finally, learning to play fiddle is an interesting, challenging and fun experience. As everyone says, it is difficult to learn the skills and progress comes slowly. Two steps forward, four steps back. So it is important to manage your attitude to avoid frustration and burnout. 

Fiddle is not as chordal and rhythmic as mandolin, but much more powerful and versatile melodically. Fiddle is hard, but it’s magic when it works.

Strabo

I like stringy’s  comment above.

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Strabo said
@l2t

I’m self-taught on guitar and mandolin, started fiddle three years ago. I now play fiddle and mando -- they are complementary and reinforce each other very  nicely.... Beyond the beginner level, buying a fiddle is an involving and interesting challenge because, unlike guitars and mandolins, every violin is unique. Gotta try ‘em and compare. I keep my beginner fiddle for just-in-case use.

Bows are just as important. I tried several before I found one that I liked. 

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Actually even with Mandolins there's a diff.  I'm sure you are familiar with Collings which makes very precisely created instruments.  I played three Collings MT mandolins in a shop one day.  Were they the same?  Absolutely not.  There may not have been that much of a difference in quality and but they all sounded different.

There's some violin stores around where I live but they look like they mainly geared toward the school rental market and more expensive orchestral instruments.  I was hoping to found a place that had more stuff in the $300-500 range.

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My missus bought me a stentor student 2 as a present, after me talking about learning fiddle. About 180 English pounds, dont know how much that is in dollars, but to learn on there is nothing wrong with it, and wont break the bank, you get a bow, rosin and decent case with it. I think its a great option to see if you like violin, and if you do you can get a better one later, if you get one from a music shop ask them to set the bridge, you can learn this yourself later, all you need is a credit card, thats not a joke by the way, you use it to get the angle correct.

The one I now have is Hungarian, but was a bit more than the stentor at around 1600 us dollars

Still have the stentor as well by the way, and still play it.

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@l2t -

If you are really unsure about learning to play the violin/fiddle, I would just rent one. 

You at least have the option of going to a shop & watching someone play violins in various price ranges before comitting to this endeavor.  It's not practicle to get picky about sound when you're talking about a couple hundred-dollar fiddle - don't expect anything fabulous.   

Fiddlershop has a good selection of beginner violins - all setup properly to start you out right.  The Fiddlerman Beginner Violin outfits come with a very good Carbon Fiber bow. 

BUT, for a discerning ear and something reasonable you can start & grow with, expect to pay $500 - $1000 (IMHO). 

Fiddlershop does have clearance deals to watch for - you might run across something at a great price, but with a slight blemish. 

Fiddlershop also has a generous 'trade-in' policy, but full size instruments, originally purchased (from Fiddlershop) for $349 or less, are NOT eligible for trade in.

  • Full size instruments, originally purchased (from Fiddlershop) for $350-$1000, are eligible for trade in credit towards an instrument of at least 50% higher retail value.
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@l2t said 

There's some violin stores around where I live but they look like they mainly geared toward the school rental market and more expensive orchestral instruments.  I was hoping to found a place that had more stuff in the $300-500 range.  

I highly recommend the Fiddlerman Concert Violin outfit.  I looked and right now it’s selling for regular price at $519.  You won’t be disappointed!  If you’re considering that price range, you can purchase this instrument with confidence and the kit will provide you with everything you need to get started except for a teacher.  This instrument will take you well into your intermediate years, and could provide years of joy beyond that.

 I purchased a Fiddlerman Concert violin about five years ago to play at outdoor jams and festivals.  (The price has risen significantly since then.)  It is not the only instrument I own, and I was not a beginner.  But I love this thing!!! It has a lovely, rich deep tone and I draw wonderful resonance from it.  I constantly receive compliments on the tone of this instrument.  I watch jaws drop at jams when we discuss instruments.  There are folks playing fiddles they’ve bought for many, many thousands of dollars and they don’t get anywhere near the tone from them.  I will never part with this instrument no matter what other violins I own.  Who wants to camp with a $5,000+ fiddle?

Bear in mind that tone has much to do with technique, and you will grow into that.  

If you were new to music, maybe you’d want to choose something cheaper.  But if you’re already playing mandolin and willing to part with $500, the Concert will give you the best start you can get for the money and will definitely facilitate your potential for growth and success on the fiddle.

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I agree with Unfretted. I had a Concert. You get everything you need with it. It comes so very carefully packed! I was amazed. 

The forum is owned by the owner of Fiddlershop, but we are in no way affiliated, nor are we asked to promote Fiddlershop. We all just have such good experiences with the shop and its products. 

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Pity they are so expensive to ship over here, I am happy with my own fiddle but wouldn't mind one with a deeper tone, my Hungarian fiddle is extremely loud and I try to tone it down, don't get me wrong I love it, but once you start collecting them? I have been on the lookout for a cheap antique German one Or maybe even French. I have been looking at some auctions as well like Amati affordable, but their idea of affordable isn't the same as mine unfortunately. Nearly bought an antique German in Porto last year, but when I picked it up the Portuguese shop owner went mad, so I told them to stick it where the sun don't shine.lol

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Welcome!

I play mandolin as well, however, I only know some chords and simple melodies. I have fond memories of many duets with a mandolin player at the church I attended as a teen.

There are some things that carry over between the two instruments, such as the tuning, but they're different enough to shake things up. I am excited for you!

-Wander ;) 

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