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I just started working on a new non-Suzuki piece.  It's basically a score that gets repeated 3 times.  There's a note at the beginning of: 2nd time 8va.

 

That was new to me and after doing some research I learned 8va means to play 1 octave higher. (8vb is 1 octave lower)  The question I have is if this means shifting to 2nd position or something else.

 

The next question is whether the octave shift holds for the 3rd repeat or not.

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After doing a ton of reading and video watching, I'm going to set this piece aside.  The concept is above my understanding at this time.  Mainly because no one seems to be able to explain what they're talking about except in the most broadest of terms which make no sense because the technique as laid out doesn't make sense.

Using the 4th finger to create the note on an adjoining string makes ZERO sense because the notes aren't that far away from each other.  For instance, G is the same note on D3 as it is on the open G string.  No 4th finger involved.  G1 (A) would be D4 but the technique of sliding your hand up the scale rather than placing the 4th finger is what's being learned in this exercise.  So again, no 4th finger involved (unless you "break the rules" and place the 4th finger and then slide it for the next higher note in the scale.)

Then of course no one mentions whether the double stop used for tuning is the note to be played or if the 3rd position notes are to be played alone and the double stop only used to be sure you're in tune when practicing.

 

So, I'm setting this piece aside.  I might get back to it in a few years or I might not depending on other events in life.

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@RDP -

You make it hard for anyone to help you with specifics if you don't show any examples or reference any links to the material you are inquiring about. 

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Must admit you have my curiosity at fever pitch wondering what it is you are  giving your attention to.

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The piece is; The Book of Love by Peter Gabriel/Magnetic Fields.

 

As far as I can find there's no violin arranged music of this piece so I was going to try to arrange it myself.  Unfortunately my musical knowledge isn't sufficient.  Nor, it seems, my playing talents.

No big deal.  It may turn out to be that I'll never play this piece.  Or, at least not on the violin due to my tremors and their cause.  Maybe I could if I switched to piano at some point but the likelihood of that being successful is remote too.

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No wonder you couldnt play it, to play the chords would be advanced, it would have to be done in b flat minor, I think that would be easiest. You would on violin just play the melody line, and not any chords or double stops, the way to do it is quite simple, get the tune stuck in your head and then just work out which notes on violin thats how you learn by ear, like most irish fiddlers, all the notes should be somewhere in the minor scale I mentioned, or maybe d flat major. To play it on violin you dont have to transcribe it, you dont have to have sheet music, learn it by ear. The melody is actually quite simple sounding.

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From what I can see, it would just mean playing up an octave, like if you’re playing a piano, just moving over on the keys. Without knowing where you are on the strings, shifting is unknown. If you’re down on the G string, you can just move to other strings, shifting is up to you. If you’re on the a and e, you will have to shift to get up higher. 

If you play scales to practice, take the scale from the key the music is in, and practice a 3 octave scale, that’ll help you work it out for finger placement. 

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Listening to it, it could be played in first position.

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@RDP -  

You can start with one of these, they do normal and slower speed, but you can adjust that in the settings.  

 

If you want to get fancy, take a look at Hannelize Gravell - you can mimic her pizzicato and use it for a break, or just at the beginning.  

 

You can do this.

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